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I'm assuming this doesn't end well.
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Please don't forget, 12 December, we're out in Cape Town, Grand West Casino. Road to 2 million. We need subscribers. We need about 3,000 subscribers every day, right?
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Yeah, 3,000 subscribers every day, man. Every day.
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It's his favorite beer.
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The one that made you say we are on the same level. Yes, yes. I'm trying to get to your level. I want to hear how it tastes. One beer at a time. Yeah.
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Anyway, ladies and gentlemen, we've got a special guest in the building. Bro, bro. It's a long time coming. Penduka, if I had known that all it needed to have my soul here was to bring Benji, would have brought Benji a long time ago. Ah, Benji been DMing us, man.
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Oh, that's all it took. That's all it took.
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You know, it's about money, so it always takes the Benjamins.
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Ooh.
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Ladies and gentlemen, please make some noise for our special guest today. The one and only Soli Sokka, a.k.a. My Sokka. My Sokka.
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My Sokka. My Sokka. My Sokka. My Sokka. My Sokka. My Sokka. My Sokka.
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Wow. Thank you so much. We've been trying to have this for like the longest time. Since we met in Rustenburg. Remember when we were doing that thing? Yeah. Yeah.
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Yeah. But I've always avoided doing interviews. Yeah.
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I'm a little bit shy to you. Closer to the mic. Okay. I'm a little bit shy to this interview things.
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I've always preferred to keep my things private. But because of the convoys, the perception is that I'm always out there. But the convoys story, I don't know if I can go there. Yeah, of course. We get to what we get. We're here to please you, man. You see, growing up, I want to explain this because it annoys a lot of South Africans, including you, Mikchi. Okay. Because you have always crushed the fact of driving a lot of cars. And I've heard this guy who's bigger than me always complaining about it.
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He's lost weight, man. Now I'm the guy bigger than you. Why do you hate me? Because one of his conditions for the interview was like, I only want to speak to my soul. No, no, no. I don't hate you.
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My soul, my soul. No, no. Listen, listen.
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You blocked me on WhatsApp. You blocked me on WhatsApp. If I hate you, I wouldn't be here. Okay. True. I've been offered by other platforms. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I decided, you know what? Let me do where he did it. Because you've got the right questions that you want to present his story. Yeah. So I can answer based on what he has told you guys. Because I'm not here to talk about another man without evidence. I'm a man of evidence. I'm a man of saying, if I say this happened, I show you the evidence. So I've got all the evidence here. I've got everything on paper.
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I've got everything on our WhatsApp conversation. And you must also verify the number that I'm going to show you, the conversations, with his number if this is his number.
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Okay, before we get into that, why are you suing us, though? I don't get that. Why did you do an interdict on us?
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You see, McG, my soul...
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I don't want to sound like I'm breaking.
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Okay.
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My soul has got, on the mining side, it's got more than 2,500 employees. Wow. So when you speak about my soul, you're not just speaking about me as a person. I'm representing those families.
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And my employees have got this social media thing. They see these things. I've got kids. They see these things.
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Yeah.
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So I need to protect the image of the business. You're not just talking to... Another business next door. You're talking about a multi-billion business. Of course, of course. That needs to protect its image. And I'm working with big mining houses.
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Such things as they happen because they are big in transformation. That's where Ben comes in. You're going to get to that.
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Where you transform local guys.
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So if now you're saying that somebody had a project with me or had a 10-hour deal with me and I did not honor it. Yeah. He's closing doors for me. Let's say somebody in Pumalanga. He's local. He's got an opportunity. Maybe he wants a technical partner or he wants something like that. He sees the story of Benji.
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What does it say? I can't trust this guy.
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Yeah, he's going to rock me. Because we're just a platform.
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No, because listen. No, no, no, no, no. Listen.
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But I'm taking you to court.
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On what ground? No, that's legal matters. That's why before I came here, I told Saul that I need to meet with my lawyers.
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You need to respect the law. There's law in this country. You cannot always get away from it unless when you go outside and talk and we have another conversation.
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But what law did we break by giving someone an opportunity to tell their story?
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Listen, listen.
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You did your part. Yes. I'm happy you did your part. Yes. Me. I'm doing my part to protect my business. You cannot allow me to allow you to protect, to grow your business. You've got viewers. Obviously, you've got one million viewers, so it makes money for your business. I've got to protect the image of my business. I cannot allow everybody to say things, especially when it's a lie.
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Yeah, but you must... Shouldn't the suing be on what the person is saying?
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I'm dealing with it. Yeah, I understand. You are supposed... Now, you've got a court order, Megji. Let me tell you the law now. You've got a court order. If you've got a court order... The court order says, if you read that court order, if your lawyers have read that court order, the court order says it must not be posted until the legal stuff is done. I'm not refusing his truth to come out. But let the legal process take its course. Because...
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There's a serious deformation of character. There's an extortion case that even at Matlanga, they're dealing with such things, with such characters that believe that they're entitled to things that they're not entitled to.
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Would you do the same to an AN7? What are these? 702 ANCA.
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You must talk nicely about it.
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Your lawyers must tell you because it's got criminal element in it.
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It's got jail time. You might go to jail. That's crazy. I'm being serious. They must sit with you and read that thing.
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You can go to jail because you were immediately supposed to delete it from your platforms. Why? And you keep doing the same mistake because you posted again.
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On your Instagram, because I don't have Instagram. I've got only TikTok. I don't even post. I don't have social media. I don't have. I can give you my phone. I've got only TikTok. It's got Ghost Lady's name on it. It doesn't have my name. I don't even post. I love the content on TikTok because it's where people show their real life, the jokes, the fans. I don't believe in Twitter.
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I'm trying to understand what crime did we commit?
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Tina, as a platform.
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I came here for Benjima Bonya. For you, we'll discuss it. Depending on your behavior, I'm coming.
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I'm not the guy.
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I'm not like the people who have taken you to court. I'm very strategic. And...
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I've got big guns that are going to deal with everything accordingly. Because I'm a man who believes in law. I don't do the street thing that... Then I'm going to deal with you streetwise. I believe that I need to uphold the law of the country. That is why everything I fight, I go legally. So that's why people think I am hiding something. Let me tell you, I'm not hiding something. This thing that happens to your show... It's not the first time. He did the same thing at Madibing FM, Facebook, where he does this.
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And when we challenged him legally, he came and apologized.
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Yeah, but are you suing Facebook? Because that's a platform.
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No, no, no, no. Megji, if you want to convince us.
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My last question.
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We'll talk about 24 before I leave here. Maybe I'll tell you, supply me for the whole fucking two years for free. Every month, you just bring 24 to my... Yeah, but honestly, I like your hustle.
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And the fact that you have gone beyond just McG podcast. You've got guys who are working in the studios. You are creating jobs. I wouldn't want to destroy someone like you. But I need to teach you to respect the law.
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Okay, last question about the law. How were you able to get an interdict about content that wasn't out yet? Because you got that thing so fast, like the judge signed it within hours.
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And it doesn't know what's contained in the interview. Let me tell you something. I'm not supposed to discuss this because my lawyer said I must not... Got you, got you.
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You know what I like? People always say there's no law in this country. There is law in this country. Yeah.
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Immediately when I saw that somebody sent me an Instagram link that Maponya is here, I knew he was here to talk nonsense.
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Yeah.
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That's number one. So I immediately, at court, this way you can, to apply for something we call agent meta.
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Yeah.
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For the judge to give you the special...
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uh hearing okay if the facts are right yeah so because i had the facts i've got proof i've got that we have dealt with is the same man previously then they given they gave it they gave us an ear yeah to listen to us and to present our case and then the court order and That court order, your lawyers must talk to you. That court order says, we cannot only submit it to you via email or anything. I must also post it on your social. That's saving you as well. Okay. I've got very smart lawyers.
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Yeah.
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Because it's there on your timeline. Yeah. That's saving you, chief. You must read it.
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Yeah.
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Even if you can ignore. And people are playing dumb that they did not receive. Immediately your team read the email.
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Yeah.
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It can show on our site that you have read the email.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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and you read the email before your show came, it fucks you up. Okay. Okay.
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But we'll talk. I'm not a bad guy.
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I'm not a bad guy. I'm not a bad guy. We'll talk. There's one thing. Before you say, I don't like song.
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In all of the interviews, you will go. You are more of a gossip guy.
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You love gossip. Whatever gossip goes. Yeah. If you listen to the interview that Benji had. Yeah.
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He asked the right questions. Yeah. And Benji avoided the questions. Okay. He asked relevant. And I wished he was very persuasive for him to answer him. When are you more into gossip? Yep. It's playful and gossip.
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Gossip all the time. And it's going to get you.
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Saul is trying to get the facts.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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But he's avoiding gossip.
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He's entertaining you because you are playing in his playground for juicy stuff. Let's get to it, buddy.
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Regarding the interdict, how did the lawyers know the content of the interview? Because what if he came here and spoke something very different?
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You're not listening to me, ghost lady. I'm saying to you, this is not the first time he's doing this.
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Oh, okay.
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He did this thing in 2022. Oh, okay. And before he came to you, he was posting on Facebook. So we were already dealing with him. So when I saw that he's coming to McG, I was like, McG's got followers. He's going to trend beyond. Because in my hood... where I grew up, the whole of Brett's rusting back. They know about this thing. This is not the first time. So he did it in 2022 when he saw that there's jail time for him and there's all of these things.
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Then he came and apologized. Me being the man that I am, I forgave him. I'm going to show Saul, I'm going to show these guys. Even your viewers, if I have to. It was done in Madibing Radio FM. It's a big radio station around Brett's. He did the same interviews. He did the Facebooks. He did. Chief, it was a mess at that time. And that also contributed to the benefit that was being terminated. Yeah. He caused a lot of things, but we're going to get there.
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Let's start from the beginning because obviously we brought you here to have your right of reply, right? And we thank you for honoring that because that's what we do. We always give people right of reply. So can you take us from the beginning? Because he started off by saying you came from Pumalanga, something happened there.
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I used to work in the mining sector. Then you were out of a job. Then you were back. So how does it start?
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How do you venture? Okay, let's start about Weed Bank Mpumalanga. Mpumalanga, it was work.
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So I've worked 15 years of my life in mining industry before starting my own mining company. So I've worked 15 years. Yeah.
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So me going to Mpumalanga, it was me leaving hometown. I'm from Mother's Bridge. Majagani is here. Tornado is here. I walk to Majagani. I don't need to be in a taxi to go to Majagani. That line that is talking about Samanku, my mom's house, is 10 minutes away from there. So I don't need local content to participate in the...
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opportunities given by the mining houses around our area. I don't need Benji. I don't need anybody for that matter. I'm from the hood. How do you first meet him? How I met Benji? I met Benji.
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So let me tell you from how he started. So I went to Wheat Bank. I worked there for 15 years. I worked for all the companies that I'm competing with today. I've worked for them.
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So that is why I'm building them to this, because I learned from them.
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Yeah.
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So I worked for your Ben House, your Andrew Mining, Jeff Drillenblast, Enlo Edizbulo, what is this mine? Yeah.
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I've worked there representing a company called AEL as a site manager.
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What do you do at these companies?
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I've worked there as an explosive engineer, technical officer, production foreman, site manager. So I've got all this experience. And the business that I'm running today of mining is something that I've worked 15 years before starting. So people think I'm just the guy who got business through connection. No, I worked 15 years before.
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starting the business. And the companies that I'm competing with today is the companies that I've worked for. And one of the companies that I've worked for now is a subcontractor in my business. They are supplying me.
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That's crazy.
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I used to work for these people. Now they are subcontracting in my business. So then I leave Whitbang because I've got this dream of becoming...
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owning the mine because i see these invoices when i was working for this one of companies i can't mention the name i don't want to be sued of course i was managing their contract that was paying 90 200 million per month i'm the one who's doing the job this is back then this is 2015 2016 when i was working in mpumalanga i used to my pet used to be here my tooth plate used to be there my My 24X used to be there.
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While I was still learning about mining, when I was still a laner blaster, I got my blasting ticket. So I know mining in and out. I started from the bottom. I used to be the guy who put diesel in the trucks.
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You'll recall. So when I, my first job, I was a site clerk. where the machines will come from the beat, I'll put diesel in them, and then do the recon. So when you're set, like, by 10 a.m., your job is done. You just book the hours of the employees, the diesel recon and stuff. So I've got all the time before I can knock off at 5 o'clock. So what I did, I said, what more can I learn in the mining industry? Then I started, when the guys are blasting, I will go and help them to blast. Then I got interested. And the site manager then, Butler, said, There's potential in this guy.
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He doesn't sit in the office and play cards in his computer. He goes, actually, we're blasting with pearls. It was like 12,5 kg. You put them here and then you go and put in the holes before blasting, before the technology of emulsions and all of those things. That's how I learned blasting and all of that. And from blasting, I did my explosive engineering and all of those things. Acquired my certificates, my qualifications and all of that. So then I see what I'm doing for these businesses.
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I came back home to start.
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I didn't need Benji to connect me to anything. The company that is talking about, the client that is talking about, that we have a contract with, they are very big in transformation. If you want business with them, you need to tell them and say, what is it that the community is going to benefit if we give you? So it's part of your scoring. But I'm doing the mining. They can see you can do the mining. They see companies that are going to tender. But there's a scope where it says, tell us how you're going to develop the local business people.
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What are you going to give back in these communities? That's where Benji comes in. It's not only Benji. I've got Provi. I'm going to show it to you. I've got 181 people.
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Contracts like the same one Benji gave you. But because we know you love gossip, you did not.
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You did not check the contract. I'm going to show it to you. I've brought all the proof. I also brought proof of payments of these 181 companies that I'm helping in the case where Ben is from, where I'm from. So what we do, I develop young people and young business people. Some of them, I fund them to a point where I buy them a machine. And then once they buy that machine, let's say the machine is $2 million or $3 million. I buy you this machine. I give you a three-year contract on that machine. If your invoice is 2 million, I said, on that 2 million, I'll take 300 or 500,000.
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You'll get 1.5 to repay that machine in three years. Then I give you the ownership of the machine. I've developed you into becoming something.
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I tried it with your friend. Oh.
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To a point, a banker was almost dismissed at his job. So this guy, but I don't want to lead the interview. I want you to ask.
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No, no, no. You've let us now.
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Okay, sharp. So what happens is, before I get to where Benji got to be developed and all of these things. So what happens, I said to Benji, I'm giving you money. You are doing nothing.
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You are always playing Ludo and all of these things. So what I can do so that you can start being more responsible. I'm taking you with a hand. We're going to the bank, which is APSA, which is the bank that I bank with.
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We go to APSA. I'm going to give it to my businessman. His name is David. I'll give you his details. You can call them. You can phone APSA if you want to. You don't have to believe my story. I tell these guys, make a stop order of 200,000 out of the 400,000 that I'm giving Benji.
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So that in a year, the same turns that are crushed by this guy that I've hired to come and do the job for me, he can buy his own machine and he can start doing his own thing. Guess what this guy does?
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On the 11th, he goes and takes the 200th money off, stop order. This guy reports him to me.
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The EPSA guy.
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Yeah, he says to me, hey Sol, you've got a problem here. You have given me the responsibility, agreed, because according to the bank, I'm not supposed to disclose his information. But you have agreed that you are paying this guy and he's doing nothing and you're trying to develop him because he's been your buddy and friend. He's taking that money, calling me to order. Because right now, as we speak, he has taken that $200,000.
20:31
But let's go back. It was the fourth time.
20:33
But let's go back, man. Because when we had Benji here, he said that you were like pretty much his ice boy, right? You were driving him around and whatever. So is that true? Was he telling the truth?
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That's a lie. You know, Megji, I keep repeating this. You like gossip, you don't listen.
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So this guy, he tells you that I was his ice boy. Once he tells you, I was driving a discovery. That's HSC. That's limited edition. That car is 1.8 million.
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I was driving that car.
21:04
So before anything of mining, chief, I've been a hustler.
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I'll show you the pictures. I started the name my soul. Let me tell you how my soul comes from. My soul, my first, my name is Solomon Sokka Madibela. So it's S-O-L. It's the first three letters of my name.
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My means mine. So that's how my soul came about. It's my soul. So I started with pap and butcher chief.
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I used to sell alcohol. You know, the comedians, Sunday Radio Metro. I used to call those people to come and perform at my club and stuff. So while I'm back from Pumalanga, I've left the job because the aim is to grow my business. So I don't go straight for mining and all of that. I start with Papen Bouchari. I start selling diesel.
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I start selling G5. Let me tell you what is G5. G5 is that material that, oh, sorry. G5 is that material that you, they put before they do your tarot and all of those things. So at the mines, you go and give them the letter as a local guy to say, I need this material so that I can crush it. So I had a business building. So we used to sell this road for the guys who were doing the N4 from breads to rusting bake. So I was making money when I was making binge.
22:25
So if you listen carefully, he told you that I was the guy that I'll buy alcohol for them. I'll drive. Yeah, you mentioned that a lot. Then he goes and contradicts himself. He even goes as far as telling you that my soul is a good guy, but he's greedy. Those things, they don't balance. You cannot have a good heart and be greedy. It doesn't make sense.
22:46
Is he the one that gives you the opportunity here? Is it some... Samanko. Samanko.
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Yeah, yeah, because he made it look like he roped you in because he got the deal.
22:54
Guys, let me tell you something. There's no such thing where you are given a contract.
22:59
You can close the mine. You can match as much as you want to match. We're talking mining contracts here. We're talking multi-billion contracts here.
23:07
You cannot...
23:09
There's a system in place. There's what we call Cooper system. Hey, after your interview, guys have been sending emails to my client to say, how did he get the job? Because he created the perceptions and all of that. How I find out is some guy says, hey, chief, I've sent an email to your client to ask because you did not follow the right processes.
23:31
Let me tell you how it works, chief, in the business of mine. It's not government.
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In government, you can have MM or whatever, the way they do it is the way they're getting exposed. It doesn't work like that. There's a Cooper system.
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that you apply. It's technology generalized. So you put your qualifications, your experience, your finances, all of those things to show that you do qualify before you go and present to the guys who are going to ask the questions.
24:04
Do you know mining? We want to plan mining 80,000. How do you get to the technical guys, well-educated guys. Then after that panel, It goes to ESCO.
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Esco is where the CEO of the company stays. Let's say the CEO of Glencoe or Samanko is where the CEO is, is where what you call it, the general manager is, is where your transformation manager is, is where all of this begins. They're discussing what Cooper has given them. They've nominated five, six, seven, eight companies. They're presenting, they're going through it. Does he qualify? Does he have the financial backup? He wasn't mining chief. It's not like you work this month, you get paid money.
24:48
You get paid in 90 days. That is why it's hard to get into that. So you need to carry the cost of diesel.
24:53
For those 90 days.
24:55
Salaries, machines. One excavate achieve is 14 million. You can Google it. One excavate. 180 is 11 million.
25:02
He mentioned that before you met Samco, I keep forgetting the company. You were a director at VJ. Okay.
25:12
Yeah, I forgot.
25:13
Yeah, there's a company.
25:14
You saw the interview. Let's tell you the VJ Call story, where it comes from.
25:20
So this opportunity comes from the whole community, guys.
25:25
Everybody's invited to tender for this project. So I've got mine. I've been selling diesel. But it's not enough to carry the mine.
25:35
It's not enough. So I won't qualify. I'm going to be disqualified.
25:39
If I try to tender on my own, if I try to get this project on my own, I don't have the money to start. So I know this guy for a video call from Weed Bank. Before Benji. Before Benji. I called this guy, said, there's an opportunity where I grew up, where I won. Benji was given an opportunity to tender, but that time he did not even have a business. I registered the business. His business was registered four days ago.
26:03
After. After the tender was out, while we were busy preparing, I said, chief, if you want me to develop, you go and register a company. Because here on tender papers, it says we must have local guys that we can develop. So all the guys that you are working with, my CBNs, we're now CBNs, go and register. I paid for the registration of this company. You can phone a guy called GT where he registered his company. I paid GT, I paid. He came with three names that he wanted to register the company. Then he got the company registered.
26:33
But was he right by saying you were director of VJ Calls?
26:35
I'm getting to the story of VJ Calls, why I was a director of VJ Calls. So I called this guy. I've got my own company, my sole holdings and logistics. I called this guy and said, Chief, you've got a financial backup. I don't have money.
26:49
enough money to push this thing. The money that I have within five days, because one excavator shift takes about 1,000, more than 1,000 liters. Yeah. And it's a lot. Yeah. So you've got 15 excavators. You've got salaries of people you need to pay. So the money that I have at the counter time, it won't sustain me. So I call this guy, you've got, I know we'll tender together. I'll do the whole tendering. I'll do their stuff.
27:15
So let's turn that together. And we saw that it's going to be a lot of paperwork to do. I said, give me, because your company's got more experience, has worked in other open cast mining, so it's got more value in it, because it's got experience of mining. Let me come, let's be partners. You give me 50% of VJCO, and then you take 50%, but it's only for this project that we have. And page is a way of this.
27:43
Ungenapi. Ungenapi.
27:46
Benji's going to come in a party now when we decide who to use from local. Local content. That's crazy. So Benji comes in as... I'm not here to talk gossip. I'm going to show you. So Benji comes in as me calling him to say, Chief, I've got something here. He's sort of taking my Jitalo. Let me get you as my guy.
28:09
so that you can be the local guy that we're going to develop. I know you don't have a machine. I know you don't have anything.
28:15
So why are you approaching him? Because he's been my friend. Okay.
28:19
Not because this thing of he's saying to you there because he was a local guy. Actually, if those guys, Samanko has big guns, they will open a case against you. This thing how you can threaten them, it doesn't work. It's a pure lie. We're talking about the biggest chrome mine in the country.
28:36
Okay.
28:37
The owners are from China. If you need connection, you must go and convince bot in China. You know how the Chinese work. They come and invest in the country. They buy companies, they buy shares. So let me tell you, that company is owned by the Chinese. So if I want shortcuts, I need to bribe the Chinese. Can I speak Chinese? I don't even see those guys. I just see their signatures on my stuff.
29:00
You know what I'm failing to understand, man? And I don't know if you share the same sentiments. So when we had Benji, it sounded like...
29:09
He brought you all these opportunities. Vijay Cole, he introduced you to the guys. And then he became a director behind his back, right? And then Sam Cole, he introduced you. But it sounds, when you are talking, like you're already in motion and doing these things without you.
29:24
That's what I'm saying. Because you like gossip, you don't listen when somebody speaks.
29:31
Mm-hmm.
29:32
You don't listen when somebody speaks. This guy tells you he knows. During the interview, he tells you he knew nothing about mining.
29:40
Yes.
29:41
He told you that. Yes. He said he knew nothing about mining. He's got nothing to do about mining. I've got experience about mining. So how does he know Vijay Koh?
29:52
Because Vijay Cole, he said that Sam Cole, because he was the striking guy, they wanted to shut him up.
30:05
You understand? And then Vijay Cole, what happened to be the guys he was working with to get his first contract, which fell through.
30:14
No, he has never... Yes, never. He didn't know the guy. I knew the guy.
30:18
Okay.
30:19
From Pumalanga because he used to work in Pumalanga. I was in the mining industry. I know the industry. Benji knows nothing about the industry, guys. So if Benji was so influential that he knows these mining guys because he threatens the mine.
30:34
Yeah.
30:35
Underline, he threatens the mine.
30:36
Yeah.
30:37
Threatening the mine is an extortion chief.
30:39
Yeah.
30:40
Yeah.
30:40
He has opened... If that line that he was talking about decides to take the legal route...
30:45
You'll see shit. Because he even told you, he went as far as telling you to say that there's a person at Madanga that he went and recruited to come and deal with me. Yes. Add one plus one.
30:57
Yes.
30:57
Add one plus one. Megji, let me tell you something. You said you will help him with the lawyers. Let me tell you something.
31:04
Any lawyer that you go with and said, my soul owes me 300 million. This is the contract. You don't need to have money. There's a thing called pro bono.
31:13
The guy from Vodacom, let me give you a typical example. He did not have money to find a big house like Vodacom. Those guys helped him without money because they could see that this guy's got a valid contract. He's got valid paperwork. They will take it for you because they know that 300 million, by the time the case is done, they've got 100 million from you. Lawyers will take it. Any smart lawyer will. Lawyers will take it. But Benji did not have a contract with Samanku. That contract that is got with the, you put it with EFF on social media last week after your interview.
31:46
That contract is my contract. If you saw the contract. It says solely. It's my soul to Benji Mapony. I've got 181 of local people that I develop. Same contracts that he has.
31:58
But it's so much detail. It talks about... It is.
32:00
I'm going to show it to you. Let me show it to you.
32:04
Also, man, I want to know because there's a lot of pictures of you and him driving together. It looks like someone is driving someone. What was the context there?
32:14
This is...
32:20
You can check all those contracts. You can check proof of payments that those contracts, I did not make them up. It's the same as contract. Same details. Same details I gave to these companies. These are local guys that I'm developing. So you were saying?
32:34
Yeah, so you guys were friends. Because he made it look like he was the hot thing in the streets via him closing the N4 and protesting for more local work, you know, at these mines. And then you... How did you guys become friends?
32:53
This is a proof of payments. I will show you even the latest proof of payments. But we'll show you, go through it. 100%. I want to answer you. Repeat your question. Sorry about that.
33:03
How did your friendship form? What I'm trying to understand is, because on his end, now it sounds like you're the guy with the experience and the mining.
33:12
Which phone is this one? Which phone is this one? Is this a billionaire phone, this one?
33:15
I don't like iPhone. I like, this is the Z7 of Samsung. You see, it makes my life easier. I can't have my emails.
33:26
It's for billionaires.
33:27
Yeah, billionaires don't do iPhones very nice. It's for influencers and small boys. What was the basis and the dynamic of...
33:39
Was it a legit friendship or did you see an opportunity in the work that he does at the local business forum? Or did he see that you have mining experience or was it a genuine friendship?
33:53
We were friends. Let me tell you, me and Benjin don't need each other to benefit from local mines. I want to clear that.
34:01
Yeah.
34:02
So when the mines are around, whether it's Sibanie, whether it's Samanko, whether it's Lone Mill, as long as you can prove that you are from that local community, you've got a chance to tender. You don't need anybody.
34:22
You don't. And you don't get a project or business because we're no value mining.
34:28
That's a lie. So they advertise everybody must tender for the project. You don't get a project because we're no value main.
34:38
That's a lie.
34:40
So then now, when you get the deal, right, which you are saying is yours, and you start paying him $400,000, and then it becomes $300,000, it becomes $200,000, it becomes $70,000. Why are you paying him? On what basis, yeah. What are you paying him for?
34:52
If you look at the letter that he showed you of Vijay Kohl. Yes. Yeah. Let me tell you, let me take you through the whole story.
34:58
Yeah.
34:59
So me and Vijay Kohl, we have agreed we've got 50%. Yes. Then I go, Benji got his contract for gas. Game of excitement news as a brah. I will go kiffing. You can ask his friends. They were there. Hey, chief, before we go in tender, I need you to sign this contract that I believe you need to read. You need to get your lawyers. You need to get your lawyers in this contract to read it. Of course. To say that I will develop you. I will give you a tour and pattern of what I've crushed.
35:30
So that as I'm mining, you benefit from this. And then you will save that money so that you can buy your own machine. So I can develop you as a business guy. Not that Benji has influenced me.
35:43
For us to get a contract. He cannot influence a big company like Samanko to give opportunities.
35:51
There's law in this country. He was called by some CEO and was given an option to choose from nine companies.
36:00
Eleven.
36:01
Oh, eleven companies. And then he decided to not select from those, but instead bring you. So that was a lot.
36:07
Because you have experience. Guys.
36:10
Let me tell you the procedure. Procedure works. There's an advertisement for everybody. This is a tender. It went out.
36:18
Local guys, they've got database where they are told, we've got this opportunity. We've got a tender for this, for tender. You guys must apply for this tenders. So the advantage that you have as a local person is that you get to be given that opportunity. So if you don't have...
36:37
the capacity to mine on your own. That's when you go and get the technical partner. So Benji's trying to present that he came and fetched me as a technical partner. There's no such thing. Let me tell you why I'm telling you.
36:54
I keep disappointing this guy. Benji is from Majagani. He's actually from Mahalis, but his grandmother's from Majagani.
37:03
I'm from Mother's Breit. The mind that he's talking about is 10 minutes away from my home. So why must I get, why must another guy recommend me when I'm local? What makes him more better local than me?
37:16
Because we are from the same old.
37:18
It's the same. There's a mind. But what's your first interaction with Samanko?
37:28
What's your first interaction?
37:31
We had what we call it in the communities. They will call meetings to say, guys, come to the meetings as local guys. Yes. To get to know about opportunities that are there that you can. I don't have a personal relationship with Samanko.
37:49
There's no such thing. The business deal that I have with someone, it's business. Megji, take it out of your head that you need to go and fight with people and threaten people to give you business. It doesn't work like that. The only thing that you can do...
38:07
that Benji told the truth about. The only thing that you can do is for you to say, guys, why are you not giving community the opportunities?
38:16
So maybe it's trying to... Because it's a checklist. To check, guys, but you advertise this project, why local companies are not...
38:23
So Samanko has these meetings where they allow people, local people to come and reap benefits of what they're doing.
38:29
Yes, they talk with the municipalities.
38:31
That's your first interaction with them.
38:33
With Samanko. With Samanko. Yes. The first interjection that I had with Samanko is when opportunities were coming. Yes. They advertised for side briefing for us to attend a side briefing. So I was part of the people who attended side briefing. They did not even attend a side briefing.
38:47
So you attend the side briefing. You're like, I have my sole holdings.
38:50
I can do this job. I can do this job.
38:52
And they say, here we go.
38:55
It doesn't work like that. You're not listening to me. It's the same as, I don't know how to put it.
39:02
Let's say like government, they want to do a road construction. Again, you need to apply on a database. And then when those opportunities come out, you see them.
39:14
So this database, they advertise for everybody to attend. So even if you are not from that local community, then you have to get a local guy to work. So I want to clear something. I'm from the same hood. Yeah, it's two minutes away. So why must I need him? Is he, how do I put it? Is he better local than me when we come from the same hood? So you get the contract.
39:40
He's not there. He didn't attend that meeting. The opportunity is there. You tell them you can do the job. You get the deal. Why are you paying him $400,000? What's that for?
39:50
You must read the contract that he showed you. The contract says, as a local guy, when you do what you call it, when you do your local scope of work, that scores part of your percentage. And there's mining part, there's you having the finance to run. And then there's a local part where you need to develop a directly affected community. Where you will say, I'll give them to supply me with PPE. I'll give them to wash the PPE of my employees.
40:22
They will bring water kids. I'll develop these ones to buy them machines. And then after buying them the machines, they will repay me and get the extra money so they can own the machines.
40:31
So you're bringing Benji to support him as like a CI project.
40:35
Yes, who is part of the people that I'm showing you that I was developing.
40:40
Okay. And there's 180 of them.
40:43
He just happens to be a part of it. There's a lot of guys that... You see, McG, I'm one guy who doesn't want PSA. Just get in your car. Don't go to a specific person. Just park anywhere in Majakani or Modelf Sprite. Park your car there and say, what is my soul doing for this community?
40:59
So then how does the amount keep decreasing? On what basis?
41:02
Okay, now I'm going to give you the details now. Allow me to speak. I'm going to tell you what happened now.
41:10
This is an opportunity that has came out.
41:13
Then I get Benji to come on the board. I say to Benji, I'm going to give you, me and Vijay Kohl. Remember, I was still with Vijay Kohl. I'm going to give you two rent per ton.
41:23
That's part of my CI project.
41:24
Yes, yes. I'm going to give you two rent per ton.
41:27
And if I crushed 50,000, you say 50,000 multiply by two rent. It gives him his amount.
41:34
Didn't he mention eight rent?
41:36
I'm getting there. So I'm giving you the whole story now. So I'm going to give you two rent per ton.
41:44
So we are working. I've been giving Benji this money. But three months into our contract, we only find out the VJ Cole guy got liquidated while we are working. I wanted to ask about that.
41:56
Yeah. So I'm telling you the whole story.
41:59
Now the VJ Cole guy is liquidated. What does that mean? It means we are about to lose this contract.
42:08
Because one of their policies, if you are liquidated, they can't trust you with their business. So the contract needs to...
42:15
So we are sitting there.
42:18
I'm starting to see, this guy, that is why we've been struggling to get machines on board. He's been saying he's bringing excavators, bringing this. I'm talking about the Vijay Kool guy. Oh, yeah.
42:29
So he's not bringing... I'm the one who's running around to the guys I used to work in the minings to give me the machines. Pulling favors. Pulling favors. Not favors. Contracts to say I'll give you the machines and stuff like that.
42:39
So now I see where the problem is. When he's supposed to put money, this guy Vijay Kohl, there's always stories. It comes after one week, two weeks, and stuff like that. So when I get this guy Impala Mining that I still work with, that supplies me with some of the machines, most of the machines are my machines, he refuses...
42:58
to work because he sees the word VJ call. He says, this guy ran away from somewhere in Delmas, not paying people machines. I can't work with you if you work with this guy.
43:09
This guy is liquidated. You are lying. Then I get to the system, I check, and it's valid, and it's liquidated.
43:14
And you are a director at that time. Yes, bruh. Mm-hmm.
43:18
I run to the lawyers and staff. I have to disclose this today because while we are working, that's when it got liquidated. Then I go to that line that we've got a problem here.
43:30
This man is liquidated. And this man is not helping me with the business and all of that.
43:35
And the answer that I got is, chief, because of this, there's a possibility this contract is going to be terminated. And we're going to have to re-advertise the whole project. This guy wants to...
43:52
You did not disclose to us that when you are facing liquidation. So we just find out deadline, it's aware that now they are aware that you've got liquidated.
44:04
I go to Benji, I said, Benji, I've proven to deadline that I can do the job.
44:08
Yes.
44:09
This guy.
44:11
There's no way that line is going to continue working with him. Yeah.
44:15
I'll give you 8 rand per ton from the 2 rand per ton that you're getting. Okay. I'll increase you to 8 rand so that you can grow up because now I'm going to try and do this thing on my own. We sent the letter of this guy who liquidated the one we worked, but now as my soul, I can continue with this thing. Yeah. Because I was a 50% shareholder. I speak to the Vijay Kolgar. Instead of losing everything, Rather you withdraw yourself from this company, then the liquidation part can just disappear. Money is money.
44:47
He wants to sign out of stuff and all of that. Now my friend Benji, let me tell you where the trouble comes from.
44:54
Benji is dating the ghost lady. Ghost lady...
45:02
So Benji stayed off. The recent girlfriend that is still dating. I'm working with my soul as it's developing me as part like other people in the community. He tells the wife that he's my business partner.
45:20
That's why the problem... Women work like this.
45:26
This woman sees me buy the G-Wagon. My first G-900. It was beautiful.
45:31
He sees me buying a house in Kashan in Rustembeck. I call them as my friends to a house with me. To celebrate. But this woman is not happy.
45:42
So I'm asking my friend, why is your woman not happy? What's going on?
45:46
It's the same woman that's friends with one of your baby mamas or related to your baby mamas.
45:51
Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. So what happens now, this man has got pressure.
46:00
This guy, his life is moving. He's buying cars. He's staying in Kashani. He's got a beautiful house in Kashani. We're still staying in a rented room. The man is stealing from you.
46:17
Yeah. He's got the pledge. So I also now hear it from the community guys or Benji are your business partners. You will get two run per ton. And Benji is very careless with money. So what he does is he gets paid. He doesn't have money. He keeps, I've got messy. That's why I've got loans, loans, loans. I'm going to get to the party. Yeah. This whole party.
46:41
The reference.
46:42
So...
46:45
As we go, I get a call from Moinue police station. Can you come and see me? I can't get hold of Benji. There's an agent matter here.
47:02
How agent? I get a call from Samanko.
47:07
Mr. Madiwella, the guy that you're developing, there's something that came up. We need to come and see you. We shop.
47:15
Yeah, police station. Like it's in a police station, there's a guy called Radzi. I'm going to show you now. I don't want to pronounce his name. Yeah.
47:22
This is the guy at the police station? Yes. Okay.
47:27
Radzi Ben, I want you to read the conversation from the start.
47:31
I must read it now. Yeah, let me explain and I'll give you to read.
47:34
Shit, you got a meme of Benji.
47:38
Oh, a sticker. A sticker. A sticker. Oh, damn, man.
47:43
You got a Benji sticker.
47:48
So I get to the police station. When I get to the police station, there's a pile like this of fake package orders.
47:56
He has eaten this guy's money. He has eaten this guy's money. Promise this guy business.
48:05
This is Benji. This is Benji. It's there. He can, if I'm lying, he must go and sue me. I'm going to show it to you now. So, we've said this guy, what happened? We need to, this guy, because we need to go and approve all these court orders.
48:26
The guy's name is P.G. Smith. That's why I'm mentioning names. He still works at Samanko Head Office.
48:37
Wow. Wow.
49:01
For how much?
49:03
Sure. I don't want to lie because I don't remember much. It was almost $150,000, $200,000.
49:09
Okay.
49:10
So, it's your call. Immediately instruction, there's a picture of him. It was put on the gate. I'll show you the picture to say he's no longer allowed to enter Samango. Okay.
49:27
So now, he's my local guy. Now, VJ Gold guy is liquidated. Do you know what happens? What happens? Termination of the contract.
49:34
Yes. Done.
49:36
This contract gets done. It gets terminated.
49:40
This is what pissed me off. That one makes me emotional. Before the part of termination. Because they need to get approval from head office. There's a fraud against you with this guy.
49:55
It means I need to, if I still need to want to take care of you, I must take care of you privately because you are my brother.
50:03
But this one gets terminated.
50:07
And then we'll have to look at another ways to look after you and stuff like that. Because Gostamanku, you are no longer wanted.
50:13
So when the contract is terminated, is then when my soul holdings now come into place? I'm going to get to that.
50:19
So this contract is terminated. Benjwiri Lefrotto is no longer allowed Gostamanku.
50:25
In the vicinity.
50:27
Guess what this guy does?
50:30
He goes to Radio Madibing. He goes to Radio Madibing. He goes to Radio Madibing.
50:37
Now I'm sitting there, Chaisi, it's a fella. No, my soul, he has told someone to terminate me, to close me down. He's not taking the responsibility. There's a fraud against him. So the contract is terminated, everything. On social media in 2022. I'll show everything to you. I was still bigger than this guy. Yeah.
51:06
You know, body shaming and all of those things. Those things that inspired me to lose weight and to start... I'm hitting the gym very hard, right? Shout out, man. Shout out. So, this guy is talking all of these things.
51:17
In the midst of him talking these things... There's posts that will show you he was going to close my soul and all of that. So, it's irritating that line more. There's a liquidation.
51:32
There's Benjus doing fraud.
51:34
We were awarded with VGA call. It doesn't matter what I do. This contract needs to be terminated because this guy got liquidated while we are working. So this contract gets terminated.
51:43
Null and void, yeah.
51:45
So when it gets terminated, I talked to the client. I said, can you guys, because there's a clause that says I must still work for two months.
51:54
To continue working before. Because it's on a clause. Or if they want to terminate you, they will give you two months. So go by two months just to cover some credits that I need.
52:04
But okay. Anyway, this contract is going to take two months. We're going to advertise it. It needs to go. I've captured the mine. I've captured...
52:19
SSG, the people Baba Mutwa let him go and play because of the fraud case that they have. All I know is that P.G. Smith was also at Brett's Court, the then financial manager, to go and verify. Yes, indeed, this guy.
52:32
So, while we're standing on this one here, there's a guy called Morabiti. Go Brett. There's a guy called Morabiti.
52:43
We are thrown going forward now. Because I spoke to Radzuri, there's still money is owed to you. That two months is about 300,000 that I have. I can pay him that money as long when I send him a WhatsApp or confirm that invoice of yours, then I can withdraw a case.
53:02
Can we do that? Because I know you've got a daughter so that you can be sharp. Our holdings, that will help me. Why are we sorting this guy? What kind of guy called Murabiti?
53:11
Same thing, fraud being promised to work at Samanko. Jesus Christ, man.
53:17
Bye, bye, bye, Benji. And how much is he getting paid from you while he's doing these frauds? Because I'm sitting here thinking... Give him a 300.
53:26
Listen, that's our 900. It was crushed material. So you can mine 100,000. His contract, he must come back. You can re-interview him. He must show you, it was saying what I've crushed. If I've crushed, even if I mine $100, he only gets paid on what I've crushed.
53:41
Yes, what you've crushed.
53:42
So if I've crushed $50,000, he gets $50,000 times too. Not what I've mined, what I've crushed. Because I want to develop me in the crushing department where he can buy his own crushing machine, where he went and exposed the APSA guy after the APSA guy said he's no longer saving that money that I said he must save.
54:01
Hmm.
54:02
So he calls. This court that he's been attending, he's been hiding. So now, he calls me and said, why are you telling me that I know you're the only person who can help me?
54:28
Okay, what's happening? If I don't pay them, they say the only time they can help me is when I pay them.
54:42
How much was it? No, it's fine. What I'll do is I'll ask the bank to do. We'll see this thing is 2022. Okay. I'll send it to you.
55:05
This is the account.
55:07
You can even verify.
55:08
100%, I can see. So I pay this guy for Benji Askaya Tronko.
55:17
So for Benji Askaya Tronko, I'm paying for Benji Askaya Tronko. That's where the loan part comes in. He has exhausted the last two months that the client has given us.
55:30
Okay.
55:30
Okay.
55:31
So that money is finished now. When we are doing, there's a guy from Little Abi.
55:38
Same...
55:40
Same thing, this guy, Urupile, this guy, Amara Are, he's got contract. Lema is solo. Posa Mangko is a business partner.
55:49
He gives him the orders. I think it was almost 400,000.
55:53
But I'm confused, man. How's the money run out if you're still mining?
55:58
For Benji? For Benji, yeah. Remember if you are getting 300,000 of what Jaladi dies? Yes. Benji na Jaladi dies?
56:06
Yeah, but what it does with money is neither here nor there. It's none of my business.
56:11
If a country says... And NASA gets 300,000 or 400,000. Benji na Ija before month end.
56:18
Benji's those guys, you pay him today.
56:23
You know, the guys who drive taxis, they will hide 100 grand from a taxi. He knows because he knows tomorrow is going to get 100 grand.
56:38
I mean, let's not delve into how he's spending his money. I mean, I could say the same thing about you. Why are you buying 100 cars? Because I can't.
56:47
And, and, and, and, and, and, when, when, when, when you, when, you see this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, when you buy something and it affects you or it affects your income. And that's when you buy something and it still feels like you didn't buy anything.
57:05
Okay. Okay. I get you.
57:06
I get you. So you don't advise the person.
57:09
But you still didn't answer me. So why is he not getting paid? Because he's still mining. Okay.
57:16
We are left with two months. I'm telling you, you're not listening to me.
57:21
I'm saying to you, after paying Benji, Benji comes and borrow money from you.
57:29
So by the time that month and the fella, my aunt is sick, pay 50,000. Yes, then I loan you against your money. When that money comes in, it's already finished. Okay, I get you, I get you, I get you, I get you.
57:53
He borrows money because there's a fraud case for him. He needs to pay this guy, otherwise he goes to jail. Which you paid, you paid the guy. Between these two guys, it was almost $600,000 that I paid to these guys. So it is his money before the two months is done.
58:08
He said that when you guys started, you were making about $60 million a month. Now you're currently making $200 million. Was it true about that?
58:16
That's a lot of money, my soul. I was expecting such questions. Ah, that's a lot of money, my soul.
58:20
How do you know? You know when you send us an interdict, we're like, ah, my soul could have sent us a young 100 million. Yo, people can disappear. Yeah, that's the only one.
58:29
That's the best interdict.
58:32
Meg V, I'm not going to talk about how much I'm making. Yeah.
58:37
but what I can tell you that my soul is on LBI. You know what is LBI?
58:42
No, no, no.
58:44
LBI, it's SARS. It's when you are in the country, you're in large business.
58:50
So I'm on large business at SARS. And then I get... LBI, hey? Yes. Large business. It's large business. So what happens is that you get, I get, in 20, this year only, 2025, 20, 26, I've been audited three times. I've got another audit that is coming in, got it, 20 or something, 22, 20 something. I get audited more than, because of, you know, SARS-CoV-2 looks at the lifestyle.
59:18
Yay!
59:19
So I get audited more than, to a point that I've also complained to the commissioner of SARS, because, They are abusing it now. I'm saying it because I know this is going to go live. So I'm getting audited now and then by SaaS.
59:34
Let's go back to this large business. So you're in a different bracket. So there's a bracket for normal people.
59:39
Yeah, large businesses, big companies in the country. So you get a special office that deals with you. Where they deal with me, they don't deal with me like your guys. It's large business. They've got that department that just deals. Because you're making that much money. Yeah. Yes, so they look at you with the thing. You can't afford, sorry for the language, to fuck up. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So they're monitoring everything. So I get audited. And, you know, there was a time I got audited to a point where they just brought white people to come and audit me.
60:12
This year, in 2026, I think, I'll ask my vet manager. They came. While I was sitting in that audit, somebody calls the person who's auditing me to say, are you finding something big there?
60:25
They want to nail you.
60:27
They have it out for you, man. That star system is used especially for black people. You are not supposed to make it.
60:32
Yes, why? You know, they come and audit union.
60:36
I get audited, Kamachi, while I'm still fixing the mistakes that they got.
60:40
Yeah.
60:42
Within four months, they come again.
60:46
So my office team is always working. So as a black man, you can't have that much money. You can't have. To a point that I was investigated for illegal mining. People thought I'm doing illegal mining. Julius Malema once said it. I get to Benji and that guy. I don't want to talk about people's names.
61:03
So the statement that I made, I know people are going to judge me for saying, and I'm not apologetic. The reason I spoke about Benji, because this guy is... To a point that I got irritated and said, let me go below the belt as well.
61:23
To say, chief, you can't be insulting me in funerals and people are sending me videos and all of that. Let me just go below the belt. How do you talk about me when you're staying at your in-laws?
61:34
You understand? It's below the belt. And I don't feel, I'm sorry, I don't feel sorry for him. If it was ghost lady staying with her mom because he's never given an opportunity to grow in life. He has never been forced by somebody to say, chief, have a stopwatch of 200,000 so you can do something about your life and misuse that money.
61:51
Then I'll feel guilty of that. I tried to develop the boy. I took him to the bank to say, you're going to do the stopwatch. Meg G, I'm going to show you where he apologizes to say, I should have listened to you when you said, I'm going to save money. So I'm going to show you.
62:07
What other files did you put out? Because he told us about a moment where he had to call you in the evening because he had crashed a car.
62:14
Chief, I felt that guy crashing the car, bought him another car.
62:20
I've helped that guy when he's supposed to go to jail. I needed to pay. And remember, as big as my soul it is, the more you get associated with people who are doing fraud. These people are no longer calling Benji because Benji has told these people to say, I'm doing business with my soul. So according to them, my soul owes them money.
62:38
Yes.
62:39
So now these people are starting to call me directly. To say, Chief, you don't want to pay him. So my life gets at risk. That's why I started going with the bodyguards. Because I'm getting strange calls. You owe us 200,000. You don't want to pay Benji. Benji wants to pay us. He says it's you.
62:57
Bro, the reason why... I want to ask why you have bodyguards. I'm glad you raised that up, right?
63:02
Yeah, I'm going to get to bodyguard stuff. Relax, Megji. I know you like gossip. I'm going to give you...
63:09
Gee, I'm going to give it to you, my brother.
63:13
We're going to get to the part. We're going to get to the part of gossip.
63:19
There was a part also, because you mentioned about the expensive discovery that you had then. But he said that the car used to get stuck, used to help you push it. You guys were sharing plates of food.
63:33
And to add on, yeah, you'd come to his house and he'd say to his girlfriend, go make that boy breakfast.
63:39
Yeah.
63:39
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
63:41
When Benji met me, I was really making my own. I was affording. I was staying in Corner Heights, in Rustemburg. Those boys, they were coming to my apartment. I was the one buying beer. He said it to you. Yeah. Buying beer. I was the one buying you stuff. Drinks. Things I can talk. Besides drinks, there was stuff that I needed to take care of, that you can talk or get some other things, you know. Yes, yes, yes. Sometimes you have for his own dignity.
64:08
Yeah, for his own dignity. I've done those things for this.
64:11
Yeah, man.
64:12
You understand?
64:13
So, before we get to the Benji part and stuff, I want to show you. I want you to read this loudly and I want you to confirm his numbers.
64:22
I want to read this loudly.
64:23
Yeah. We are here. This is Benji Maponya. This is the number. Check it. What is number?
64:27
Yeah.
64:27
Benji Maponya. This is his number. Yes, yes. That one? Yeah. Check a number. You've got this number. No, I don't. Dudu's got Dudu. Dudu, you must come and check when you're done.
64:34
They are confirming that. Okay. This is Esvar Holdings.
64:39
This is 2022. Yeah, this is 2022. Esvar Holdings. Can I read it? Yeah, you can read it. All right. Read everything. All right.
64:48
So this is Benji. He goes, Esvar Holdings.
64:54
My bruh. You ask for rent. You have 17,000. I give you 50,000. What is going on? What is so big to come to me so early? It sounds serious. And then this is Benji. Mar Holdings.
65:12
Let me read it so I can help you. Yeah, read it, read it. But I need you to see. This is Benji. Oh, brother, I'm okay now.
65:19
I deal with you at the call. Now we are friends.
65:27
Now we are friends. This is Benji.
65:32
This is me. You're scaring me. You asked for rent.
65:38
Yeah, 17,000. I gave you 50,000. What is going on? What is so big to come to me so early? It sounds serious.
65:47
Let me put my phone on flight mode because it's going to ring minds and people. I don't do buddies when I'm...
65:56
He says he doesn't understand. This is him. He's asking me. Yes. He's asking Maru, why you say you are scared...
66:11
You are scared when I say I want to see you. Because he came at 6 a.m. at my house outside because you can't get there without security. This is me getting punished. I'm getting shocked. You ask for help, I help you. You ask for a certain amount, I give you more. And you still see it as punishment. I used to give you more than I do.
66:30
Still, you saw it as more. I take me to a point of getting a letter of termination. This is the contract that we had with Vijay Cole.
66:37
Yeah.
66:38
And every month I still try to help. After the contract is terminated.
66:43
Last month I gave you 100k.
66:45
Last month I gave you 100k.
66:47
This month you asked for 17, I gave you 50k. I don't have the reason to give you money anymore. The contract is cancelled. And you see it as punishment. Please advise me what must happen. Maybe I'm missing the point.
66:58
But it's not like I appreciated the help you are giving. This is him. This is Benjia.
67:05
I appreciate it. An issue, Yame making noise, go social media. This is 2022. I told you you went to the radio.
67:12
I regret it every day. I could have handled the situation better, not got Facebook. Maybe I would be in a better situation. I'm in now. I'll forever regret it because I've put myself in this situation.
67:26
Mara Holdings, you can imagine from me getting paid 400K to asking help current money when I was paying a house 120K a month, being able to support my family. Now I can't pay my house, I can't support my family, I can't even buy myself a T-shirt. I know you told me to save money, but it was for the first time, so I've misused it badly.
67:51
goes last time you said to me if they don't give the contract they must buy you out if you want settlement what about us and you said no worries you will pay us for the next few years if they settle you out this is me saying i'll take care of you because i had other businesses i know i know i'm the cost of termination
68:15
Yes, yes.
68:16
But you don't tell me what, Abuti, you're no longer invoicing from me. Abuti, the house I promised to settle for you is no longer going to happen. Abuti, the trust account I promised you is no longer happening. These are the things I was asking him to do for himself. Buy a house, to do a trust, and all of those things. And please keep a distance from me. I don't want association anymore. This is him.
68:44
Because of those figures.
69:03
Please save my house. Please sleep.
69:19
I had to pay for a Saturday when you gave me that 50K. A mother without Motlagas is not every day. And I saw the stress. Sometimes you shouldn't have to do what you told you. Two months now.
69:46
Two months now.
69:51
Even if you can buy me out just to save my house, if it's possible. Listen.
70:00
What are you saying here? This is me. You want me to pay you like all days, the same as the contract that was terminated. Same benefits on the new contract I got. Is that what you're asking me?
70:13
Is it possible to take me like your brother once again, Holdings? Now I'm even scared to call you or to text you. You're no longer Holdings only before I text. I must think 10 times.
70:33
Because I really need you. This is my response. I did all of that for you. Look at how many enemies I have now, including your wife and family. Ben, reality is you don't need me. You need money. You owe a lot of people money. And all of these people, you are lying to them that you are expecting money from me. Again, putting me at risk. I've done so much for you. More than my family and still it was not enough. At this moment, this is not you needing me as a person.
71:04
You just need money. And what I'm helping you is not enough to maintain the lifestyle. And again, you see me as the reason for not achieving your goals.
71:13
That's crazy. I want you to call him got this for to shorty.
71:18
This is his number. I did not fake this thing. This is not a booty for not achieving my goal.
71:37
If you don't, if I was the one, do you think somebody gets there? I know you have done so much for me, holdings. And for that, get always appreciated. Do you honestly think the person who took him out of prison?
71:58
The prison that you were supposed to for this fraud, where I paid this guy so that he doesn't go to jail.
72:03
Oh, yeah.
72:04
You've got some spit on my face. How much is that worth? Sorry, man, I'll pay you. My soul spit. Sorry.
72:12
Maybe you'll be lucky. You deserve it.
72:17
Maybe it's luck, my man.
72:23
So we continue. Yep, once again, I won't dispute the issue. I used to tell people I used to do that. I've told you my reasons. And I've stopped discussing because you told me more than once you don't like it. And my family don't Don't need or have any reason to hate you. I even promise to pay what is the solution according to you? This is me.
73:01
You can see I'm trying.
73:06
So I can be able to pay my house. You can take the contract. Share with this unemployment forum.
73:16
Give a contract with terms. You want to send terms. That explains what if I do one, two, three, it will be terminated. After you give that contract, you can even give me a statement to make. This is it.
73:26
This is you now.
73:27
I don't need a statement, Ben. Social media pages don't scare me. This is me. Those pages are useless. All I need to know is why must I give you money when you made sure I lost the contract? Let's read the last part. Holdings was a big mistake I've made. It was not my intention at all. I played my catch-up thinking I'm getting your attention. I did not respond. So this man is telling you.
73:54
That's crazy.
73:55
I lost the contract.
73:57
We lost the contract. Chief, I stayed three months.
74:02
I was not functioning. I was not eating. I was not sleeping. Because this is the biggest opportunity of my life. I wake up at 6 a.m.
74:09
I leave work at 7 p.m. You see, the lifestyle that you guys see maybe when I take my boys on convoys. Chief, don't let that confuse you. I met the mind from 7 a.m. these days. When I started, I used to be at 6 a.m.
74:23
When do you see some gomba then?
74:25
They're at 7.
74:28
You know, he saw that you love gossip and he knows South Africans love gossip. Once I wear the song, everybody's gonna... You're an African man, bro.
74:38
It's okay.
74:39
No, listen, I don't use smoothie. Here's my bodyguard.
74:41
No, for protection, because with big success comes big attacks.
74:46
Where I grew up, My mom and dad are Bible people. Yeah. We don't do that thing of... So you've never consulted? I don't do that shit.
74:57
Okay.
74:57
But where did you get that from?
74:58
My sister, my family... So we don't do those things. My father was the guy... Why would he say that?
75:17
you love gossip chief so anything that to add value it was a desperate man trying to to say whatever he needed to say so i'm here to show you today that this man did fraud to these three guys this guy's samanko blocked this guy we lost the contract he's admitting that we lost everything so when i went back remember he's blocked at the minor They re-tender this project.
75:43
Yeah.
75:43
We all have the opportunity. Hey, chief, you know, go Facebook, because of what Benji said.
75:51
Go Red Young, Anroha, contracts and all of that before it gets terminated.
75:58
When that contract gets re-tendered, hey, chief, I was a joke.
76:02
Yeah.
76:04
Yeah, he saw the guy. No, he's written that. Everybody turned that. Those guys brought big guns, Baba. They brought the companies that I compete with. Andrew Mining, ASB, to compete with me there. Which is not wrong because they also want to benefit because they're not getting anything from me. And it's a fair game. It's a fair game. They went and looked for technical partners to come and do business with them. So they've called these guys. Chief, I written that on my own.
76:33
Benji had an opportunity to go and get, guess what? He didn't even try.
76:38
Because that's binge. He wants to get something from somebody.
76:41
So now I remember he spoke about conditions that you gave him, such as you having ownership of the house, him, he must leave the woman. Well, when did that happen? Was this now after he stood at spa in this exchange? No, no, no. That's before then.
76:58
Let me tell you the issue, your Mossadi. It's their private staff. I'm going to look for the conversation. I'm going to show it to you.
77:05
Mm-hmm.
77:09
So then he came to me. They can take me to court. I've got proof of it. Yeah, he told you. Yeah. So he told me. My advisor is a brother to say, hey, chief, if you've seen these things and you're not happy, because that lady used to fight. And one of the things, let's face, if you're dating ghost lady, And I see how ghost lady fights with you in public. I see how she disrespects you, talks to you like that. I'm going to advise you as a brother. If you're my true friend.
77:41
This person is not for you. And how he got this lady. There was a time we were sitting at my place in Rustenbeck where...
77:50
this lady and Benji had an argument and this lady told Benji, the same way you took me from my boyfriend, I'm going to leave you the same way because we were making a joke and then she said that statement.
78:01
You understand? So I advised the guy to say, yes, I did. I'm not going to lie here on social media. I'm saying, I advised him as a brother to say, but chief, you're complaining to me.
78:12
But it wasn't a condition.
78:13
No, there's no, there's no condition, man. It was like, but I, in fact, There was a time when that lady fought with him and Hobart's on the private part. Let me tell you, it gets worse.
78:34
Benji and this woman, they go to Benji's brother.
78:40
They need $300,000 to borrow from the brother. The brother tells Benji to say, if you want...
78:47
Me to borrow you my money. I know you are my brother. And this money, this guy knows how to save money. So when they fail to pay this guy, when they fail to pay this guy, they go and open a case against this brother.
79:16
They call tracker and police to say the car's been stolen.
79:19
On your own brother. Who helped you?
79:22
Police goes there to arrest his brother. This brother calls me. One, two, three, four, five, six. Creamy, brah.
79:33
What do you need from me? Do you need bail? Do you need… Well, how can I help? Because I don't know the story and stuff like that.
79:41
Shit, man. Yes, this is crazy, man. Insane.
79:44
Wow. I want to show it to you. Give your voice up with that. I'm getting arrested.
80:04
He's in a police bag.
80:14
And then you ask where they're taking you. Yes.
80:15
I want to show you. This is the police in his brother's yard. Yeah. This is the bag that he gave his brother.
80:32
to keep when you pay me. Yes. Then he gets him arrested. He's his brother. Yes, I see the messages. Your own brother, bro.
80:44
In the police van. He will do anything. He will lie.
80:46
He will come to me and lie. He's a froster. I don't regret losing him. Let me show you. I want to show you. But your own brother, bro. Like, oh, man.
81:00
I don't understand. He borrowed money from you and used the cash guarantee, and now he can't pay you. He called the police. Listen to the answer.
81:10
And I'm getting arrested.
81:32
And you reply, you say, no, man, how can I help you?
81:35
Yes. That's his brother because, you see, Benji will go to any extent to get money. He will do frauds.
81:43
He will fake some uncles, pick his orders. He will give his brother the car to say, and when he can't pay his brother, he goes to the police and my car's stolen. If this brother was driving the car on the road and Trager comes, they could have shot him. That guy, that time he was left with his kids only because I don't know the wife went to work night shift. So he had to leave the kids alone, young kids alone, being arrested for borrowing his own brother. So you want me to associate myself with such a person?
82:13
Myself.
82:14
Myself. I have so many questions that I want to ask you, right? Let's close the Benji chapter, right? Ghost Lady, do you have one more question regarding Benji? I want to close the Benji chapter.
82:24
No, it's regarding the bodyguards thing. Because you insinuated that the reason why you have to have security around you is because of Benji.
82:33
No, it's not only about Benji. But if you guys listen carefully, Benji said in your show to say there's a person or there are people who have been called to Madlanga.
82:46
Madlanga, yes.
82:48
And then he asks help from these people.
82:49
Yeah.
82:50
There's calls. Why do you want people who are called in Madlanga to come and help you? That's a threat to life.
82:59
That's a threat to that.
83:00
But Magdanga is current. I think you've had security for a very long time.
83:03
Yes, I did. Let me tell you, some things we keep them private, but I'm going to give you a short sight. You see what happens in this country?
83:14
In Moinue, I'm going to give you a typical story, three stories. There's a white guy who owns a plant. He's an old man. You can check it on Google. He's not far from my mind where I'm making a plant. Guys just came during the day.
83:28
They just came, put him with a gun, took him, kidnapped him, asked the wife for 50 million. You must check it in there.
83:36
Yeah, man.
83:36
There's guys at the garage, not far from the mining industry.
83:41
He was doing tenders in the mines, supplying cleaning services and all of that. In the garage, he puts petrol as he goes, vitlars in front, bike in front. They took him, put the wife in, asked for money. So if people know, and it's not people from far from you, know that...
83:57
You've got money. You are at this risk. One risk, the highest risk in the country that people are turning a blind eye on is kidnapping and it's extortion. My sister is serious. Are you serious? It is very serious. You get a call of somebody saying, I don't have that space. But our chief, we are not asking.
84:25
Bro, I heard Joe Sibanyoli was extorting you. No, it's a lie. Oh, there was a lie.
84:32
No, it's a lie, man. That man has never even tried to talk to me.
84:35
Okay, because it couldn't make sense because he was at the Madlanga Commission.
84:38
No, no, no, no, it's a lie. That man has never tried to talk to me. I don't know who's been just talking about. I've never spoken to him.
84:43
How do you deal with extortion, man? Because you're a big fish, so you'll get many extortionists at your door.
84:49
You've had many attempts.
84:52
You have to get the best security, not your normal security guy.
84:55
Your security is crazy.
84:56
You see, you need to take your guys to train as far as possible and proper guys, well-trained guys, which I can disclose.
85:05
So you fight fire with fire is what you're saying?
85:07
No, I don't fight. What I've done, I've always believed that prevention is better than cure.
85:12
Are they trained in Russia?
85:14
No comment. No comment.
85:16
Hey, head of security.
85:17
He's been standing there all along. Hey, head of security.
85:20
He wants a word. You see, you see, you see Ghost Lady, ne?
85:25
Yeah. What I hate about us black people. Yeah. Um...
85:30
We want to turn a blind eye to reality. Yes, yes. Guys, in this country, extortion is real. Yeah. In this country, kidnapping is real. Yep. In this country, if you've got money and you think you're going to walk like anybody else, you will see flames. They will take you and put you in a boot. If they can take a normal guy from GoBank, you have heard the stories where a guy after GoBank got 50,000. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. People working their banks are human beings, right? These people can see on our system this guy's money.
86:03
What if his brother is some dangerous guy to say, hey, my soul has got money. Kidnap that guy and ask for money.
86:09
Just tell me when he comes.
86:10
So if you don't have security for your life, and also the things that I do have made me famous. Let's leave the cards because you guys are gossip people. Let me tell you what made me famous in my community now.
86:23
Every year, I take 20 young people in different schools in my community.
86:31
To the university of their choice.
86:34
I pay for their full tertiary fees.
86:38
I pay for their accommodation. I will give them monthly allowance.
86:43
All they have books, clothes. All they have to do is to study.
86:48
Every month, I do groceries for... You know that family you know? It's a child-headed family. They don't have food. Every month, I do that. I give them money. In December, I do a big one.
87:02
Also, what I do is...
87:04
Because there's a lot of minds, but our people don't have skills. Remember, parents don't have money to take kids to university or to train to be able to operate excavator. So every year, I've got commitment of making to myself to take 1,200 young people to train them on excavator. It costs me millions. Mm-hmm. Just to take, I just took 200. I showed evidence. I just took 200 two months back. They are all qualified now. They are employable. So I do these things. Have you thought about like building a school, a hospital?
87:35
Let me tell you that Benji, you blind, they got reverse psychology. Benji.
87:41
Benji! There's one thing you can't take away from Benji. He's street smart. He can twist the truth to his own favor. So he heard when I was giving speech because I've already got the land to build a clinic. I've already ordered four ambulances. So now he says it was his dream before I mentioned it.
88:05
Okay. And then when you do it, he's going to say, face off.
88:10
You're living his life. Face off.
88:13
So he's very good in...
88:15
Shut up. That's beautiful, man. You're building a clinic.
88:17
Yeah. You see, the problem with us black people, let me give example.
88:26
You want me...
88:30
to give back to the community according to your own dreams and levels.
88:35
Your dream, you feel like if I build a school, I've done so much. Me, where I'm sitting, we've got so many schools and people have passed, but they're still staying at home.
88:45
Got you. Got you.
88:46
But just because now I've not built a school doesn't mean the one who built a school or the clinic is doing more than me. Because now I believe in giving people skills that's going to work for them. And empower them. And empower them. Watch what you're doing with Benji. Yes. So I've got 181. You can check it. I'll show it to you, gents. You can...
89:05
I've got companies, I've got proof of payment. The same thing I was doing for Benji. I'm still doing it for Majita. Why only Benji? All of them, we don't like Benji. Because Benji has proven...
89:24
Benji, when we are friends like this, he doesn't want us to get along. That's why all of us, we distance.
89:35
He will make sure that when he's with Saul, he speaks shit about this one.
89:39
And then when he gets here, he speaks shit.
89:41
So that he can have advantage of everybody. Oh. He's getting along with everybody. So I've got wrong information. I'm not saying go to the people that I know or give you the names. I'm saying take your carless all.
90:03
And just interview random people. Who's my soul? Or it's an agokas. You know it's an agokas. Like people come. I can't, when I visit my own mom, like we've got to get packed. So if I want to see my mom and have a nice conversation, I need to go late. Because once I get packed, the whole community comes. Because of the things I do in my community.
90:21
Why do you never leave Rustenburg? Because you're always in Rustenburg, bro. Like, you never come to Joburg. Are you scared? What's happening?
90:27
You see, I'm not scared.
90:30
You see, Megji, I've built a life for me where when I had new money.
90:37
Yeah.
90:38
I used to attend these things. I used to go to Bloemfontein, you know, that guy, DJ somebody's there. But as a person, you start getting to a point, these things, they don't entertain you.
90:54
Yeah, they don't matter.
90:55
Yeah, so now, In my farms, if I want to have fun, Megji, I call Questa to come and perform in my farm for me and my 40 friends.
91:03
That's crazy. That's why people say I'm partying every week.
91:06
I'm partying in my own yard.
91:09
So what I did in my farm... What request? What request?
91:12
What request? What request?
91:14
What is what request? So what I do is, Megji, in my farm, I've got a lot of animals. I've got a few farms. I've got a big farm. I'm going to find out how to farm.
91:27
So I've got farms. And my farm, I've got giraffes, I've got zebras. Where I sleep in my house. I'll show you my farm. I'll show you my animals now. So I've got farms. So what I did in front of the house farm... I build a nice place. I've got a sound that you can hire to do. That is why it was simple for me to say, I'm going to help MT to do F&B stadium. Because already I've got a sound. I've got big stages that some big companies that are working with media, they don't have.
92:02
So I just plug the sound there. I've got guys who work on the sound. I just call any artist that I want. I say, chief, for me and 40 friends.
92:11
I don't want... We just chill there. We relax.
92:16
We call. It's a big artist, man, that you can think about. Let's talk about you. Yeah. I'm going to call you one.
92:23
Yeah, it's not a book, you know.
92:27
Bro, what's your relationship with money, bro?
92:34
I'm really fascinated, like, because you're making so much money, like, does it just become, like, it doesn't mean anything anymore, bro?
92:43
Like, do you still have things you want to buy, bro?
92:46
No, but do you still want... Okay, let me tell you... What else can you do, bro? Let me tell you something. There's no such thing as enough money, and there will never be. The more you make money, the more you get inspired. The more you make money, the more...
92:59
You have people that you say, but if Mr. Matzebe can be in this position, I can be in this position. So you want to make more? You get inspired. Yeah. And I'm going to say something that I'm not supposed to say.
93:11
What you guys were saying, Libinji, you were undermining me. Those figures, you were undermining me.
93:16
Let's go. Namaste.
93:19
What do you want to do, dog? I mean, I'm sure this is more than my house. This watch, you can just see my men. It's collection watches. You can sell them and make money. How much is it?
93:49
So where are we with money? Are you past the point of buying everything that you've always wanted?
93:58
Or are we like now at a legacy phase?
94:03
You see, my dream, you know we've got different dreams. I'll hear people comparing people with money.
94:12
There's people who have money who believe in investing and you know, buying shares at APSA, buying shares and all of that. I've always... I've got other things. I've got a big company that people...
94:27
They don't even tend. You will see cars. You must open your eyes. You will see cars writing soga leisure and properties. So I've got apartments all over Restingbeck. Two and three bedroom where people are renting. The whole building is mine. This one has got 40 rooms. This one has got 30 rooms. I've got commercial buildings.
94:46
Where Standard Bank. I'm saying it very loud. Standard Bank is my tenant. Upsize my tenants. Net Bank is my tenant. I've got guys renting big offices.
94:57
On my commercial building. It's a soga leisure and properties. I'm building a beautiful resort in Bella Bella. Bella Bella! I'll show you Mjana. It's going to be massive. I'm building a big hotel, boutique hotel in Artis next to the dam, which I'm opening in a year or two. I'm opening the resort next year as well on my birthday if they have completed the construction work.
95:23
Wow.
95:23
I'm into farming. I've got a lot of cattle and all of those things. But that things, they are part of, you know, having business and just to be busy and having business. My plan and my dream has always been in a position where I can borrow the bank money and get money out of them because when I was starting up, I was borrowing from them. So where I'm sitting, I borrow the bank money.
95:52
So what happens... So what happens... What happens, McG, is that... You need to get to a point where...
96:01
I'll just give you figures. One just example. If you borrow the bank 1 billion, they give you 7% of that interest, which gives you about 7.5 million to 6.8, 7.5 million. So my aim was to give bank enough money so that my kids...
96:20
They don't have to, if they can handle the business that I have with environment. South Africa is a very dangerous environment. People want to take people's business for free. Of course, of course, of course. So I'd rather have my kids in a point where they can start their own small thing if you want to do a podcast. But he knows that that one rent that my father has given to the bank is giving me 30 million a month or 80 million a month based on the interest. You just write it on your... on your will to say that they are not allowed to touch the money. They can only touch the interest.
96:52
And on that interest, it needs to be distributed like this permanently. But you still need to. You don't want to kill your kids when they don't have the skill of money. You know, a lot of money will get them into drugs. So it still gets managed. To say that it will be contributed to this. When it gets to this age, there will be guidelines to that. So my dream is not other people's dreams. You can't compete with me with somebody on share level who says when the shares drops. I've been the guy who wanted to have more capital.
97:24
To be able to borrow the bank the money. And then when I'm sitting in that position of I've borrowed the bank money. And this money is sitting there. And I don't like taking risks.
97:33
There must be, you can't gamble with my money. I give you this money. McG wants to buy Mercedes-Benz. He comes to APSA.
97:41
They use my money for you. But until the moment.
97:47
What bank does, the money that you borrow, they help the guys who come and want to borrow the money, the loan, wants to buy a house. So the money that they make out of you, I get 7.4%. Remember the bank charges you at 11%?
98:02
They take the 5-6%, I get the 7.4%. Then I make money from you borrowing, loan, you getting...
98:08
So you have no ambitions to buy a yacht, a plane, private jet? Chief, I love cars.
98:13
A football team. Chief, you know...
98:17
Let's talk about cars. Give me one minute. Yeah, how many cars you got? How many cars you got, bro? Let me tell you something.
98:22
Is it true you bought the house next door in Hartis just to park your cars?
98:27
It's true.
98:28
We've all been there. I've been to that estate. It's true.
98:30
I've seen it. Let me tell you what's up. They were complaining that my cars are parked all over. So yeah, and I bought it.
98:36
Yeah!
98:43
So I bought that, that's then in that park. So, but I got annoyed on that estate because people will come with, I want to do business. Then the next thing I'm sitting here, my then girlfriend will show me to say, Hey, what trend?
98:58
So that's when I moved and bought the farm.
99:01
Okay. And then build it nice.
99:02
It's more private. That stand, I'm extending now, I'm building because I love that place because that's where I'm building my hotel at. Nice. So that stand, I'm extending the house because I can just take the boat and go to the dam and go to the other side in Artis. Yes. Chief, you can tell me a house in San Ten is one rent, I won't buy it.
99:20
Yeah.
99:21
It's too hectic. The bamba to bamba chasing time and all of that. Yeah, it's very quiet. I don't know.
99:30
So in Artis, you get in your boat, you go to the dam. On a Sunday, you do your fishing.
99:34
Lifestyle.
99:35
You are relaxing. So you will never see me in a clap. I don't do claps. You will never see me in Jobeck. There's nothing to do for me in Jobeck. So you wouldn't get a yacht? So people believe that I need to come to Jobeck. I don't need to.
99:45
So you wouldn't get a yacht or a plane because you love cars?
99:48
No, no, no, no, no, no, no. There's things that I have that you don't know. Okay. You might be hiring a jet to go somewhere else, kind of giving it to that place to rent it out. Okay. So, but you don't say these things. You have private jets. I've never said that. That's you. No.
100:07
You didn't deny it.
100:13
Let me tell you something. There's a picture that you need to give people. You see, this thing of cars and convoys. Yeah.
100:20
It made me no threat to anybody. Highs, wannabes, the next same holdings is next mama.
100:28
And the convoys only happens once in two months. But because it's a convoy, you see it. Remember growing up, we used to hire the Jeep Wrangler to go to Lesotho and all of that. And the boys that I go with that I'm grooming, the one that's Benji saying I'm giving them $30,000. Benji was like one of them.
100:50
Where I groom you, you are working. Those boys are in business. One of them now just bought a water bowser. It's working in my business. So I'm grooming them. So the level that they are in now in business, they are way far ahead. How much do you spend on petrol a month? I'm getting there. So imagine you are a friend with this guy.
101:10
You've been friends for too long. Your beer pops in.
101:14
He's making 100, 200,000. You now study making 40 million.
101:19
Depends on your heart. You've got two Lamborghinis, three Lamborghinis. You want your friend to follow you a Polo or a Mercedes. You give him another car. No, no, no.
101:29
You must drive the Polo.
101:31
No. You see, Arturo.
101:38
I want to inspire them that these things are achievable. I know you once said, why would I go with so many things?
101:45
Guys, you see, we grew up seeing these things called videos about Jay-Z. Whether I don't go with those or not, these kids see these things on music videos.
101:59
And they believe it's not made for them. It's only for Americans. It's for Jay-Z's. It's for Drake. It's DJ Khaled and all of that. So I'm bringing this to Kasi to say, if my soul attended primary school, the same school that I went to, the same school that I went to, the St. Teresa High School, he's able to drive...
102:27
McLaren and this car, I can do it.
102:29
But I disagree with you there. The optics for me are weird, right? In terms of, you know, that person that you're talking about, they can't even afford food or bread that day. And then here they see these three million cars.
102:41
That's the problem. I used to be in that same position and nobody was inspiring me.
102:47
Nobody could look to these things.
102:49
I can do them myself. So I was saying...
102:53
we need to celebrate poverty only. So people must only see the struggling people.
103:00
Because now you're going to be able to be on a comfort zone. No, actually to struggle, it's a norm.
103:05
People must see this life out there. People must see dreams can happen. So now you want, because of this child, all he needs to see is other people who are struggling for the rest of his life. What's going to inspire this boy to say, there is more to life than this? Okay.
103:22
That boy needs to...
103:27
This thing can happen. The same school that you attend. Because the teachers in my environment, they tell kids this. I was a teacher myself. When I take these kids back to my university, I give them a speech to encourage the kids. So what I do is...
103:49
Guys, the most performing 20 students, I'm taking them to university. So I give them competition. And then teachers tell them, welcome, my soul. So they know it can be done. We need to run away from these things or when black people achieve things, it's a show off. That's nonsense.
104:09
We must know that black people can achieve things on their own and it's achievable. But if a kid grows up knowing the only thing that he knows is a struggle, the only thing that he sees in the hood is that he will not be inspired. Because it's a norm.
104:26
How much is he spending on gas a month? Petrol. Petrol.
104:31
I don't think he knows, bro. Think about it, man.
104:35
My son is disappointed. After such a speech, all you are thinking is how much are you spending a month on this guy?
104:42
After all that motivation. Listen, listen, listen. You see, you see, you see McG.
104:50
There's ways that you need to... When you start making little money for yourself, you invest certain monies, you know, like to say, let me take this bonus of mine that I got from the business because I pay myself bonus as I pay. You know the thing of my employees getting seven times salaries? It's the truth.
105:07
Yeah, even the cars. You bought them cars. We saw the videos.
105:09
It's the truth. So what I do is I will...
105:12
On my bonus, I'll just put it in savings. And then that interest is the one that I enjoy to put petrol on my Ferrari.
105:18
That's crazy.
105:19
Just enjoy. The house in Cape Town, did you buy it cash? Yeah, I don't believe in financing shit.
105:26
Oh, my gosh. Oh, wow. Did Black Coffee send you like a welcome to the neighborhood gift basket?
105:34
Yeah, please.
105:34
It's a neighborhood gift. It's a neighborhood gift. Wow.
105:42
It's a neighborly thing. You know?
105:46
Two successful black men. Neighbor to neighbor. I took a loan, you know, from my business to save my business.
105:55
That is insane. That is insane. A black man buying a house in Cape Town for 200 million cash.
106:01
When you've got dreams to say, I've always wanted to stay in that street, you know, be on a street. By the way, I'm one person. Yes, I am.
106:19
So what happens is that I'm one person, if I want something, I plan ahead for it. So if I don't rush things, I knew my time will come to buy that house. So I was saving money towards getting that house. So when I got savings for that house, to say, I'll have different investment. This one is for a house in Cape Town. This one I want to buy a farm to build. This one, then those investments just...
106:44
To do that, yeah.
106:45
Have you met Black Coffee? Have you seen him like when he's next door?
106:48
No, I've never seen him there. I hear maybe when Black Coffee was next door or so and stuff like that.
106:55
You never see your neighbours there.
106:57
Like life there is just... Do you write on the WhatsApp and say you're making a noise?
107:02
You see people because of the cars or the parties that I hold just to relax. I'm a human being. I want to have fun. So I'm having fun in my farms. So the cars and everything. I'm a very quiet person.
107:15
In my own space. If you were to get to know me. I'm always in my farm. I'm always at work. You'll never see me in job work. You'll never see me. When you see me on the road, you must know I'm going to a game reserve. That's my lifestyle. You'll never see me in clubs. You won't even see me in a restaurant. Not because I'm afraid. It's because I enjoy my own space and my own people. I don't like strangers in my space.
107:37
That thing was funny when you were like, the problem is you motherfuckers are not drinking.
107:41
Drink, motherfuckers.
107:44
Try that video.
107:47
I was in Kenton two weeks ago, so I went up to see your house and Black Coffee's house. I saw the, like, renovating there.
107:54
Yeah, no, what is happening there, I've hired the guy, I don't know if you know, he's the best in the country, Donald Ngumalo. He's a top interior designer. So I wanted to look, I was in Italy, in Milano. So there's a blend that I saw there, then I ran the idea with it. I want to feel like, I'm somewhere in Dubai in the most expensive hotel. It needs to give me that peace of mind. I'll show you the pictures. It needs to be my place of peace where even if somebody comes to make G like Ben and say nonsense, I can just look at the scenes and fuck him.
108:34
And be happy.
108:34
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Dude, do you think you have a God complex? Because you've got so much money, you can buy anyone, you can buy whatever you want, bro.
108:40
Like money is the answer for anything. I think you should interview people who knows me.
108:46
You know, I always get reminded by people that I've got money. Like what you say.
108:50
It doesn't go to my head. I'm still the same guy.
108:53
But who's telling you no? Who's telling you no?
108:56
You can't buy that house in Cape Town right now.
108:58
Who can tell you no? I've got financial advisors.
109:02
I don't just spend money. I've got financial advisors. The bank has got the structure where we sit down. I want to buy this. Okay, this is how you can reinvest. I consult with different people.
109:13
You mentioned that you plan ahead. So what's the next plan? Like, what are you trying to achieve? What are you trying to take now? Because you've got the house in Cape Town. You've got the farm. You've got the private jet. You've got all the cars you want.
109:23
Now who said, when you have a yacht, it means you've got money. Man, no time. There's no time. Oh, there's no time. So you have money.
109:31
I was in Monaco, I think, three weeks back. They were promoting new... Brabas is into boats. You know, I'm a big fan of Brabas. Oh. They were doing the boats and all of that. It's in my mind, but I've got a boat. It's not a big one in sensation in artist. So I will get the ask, but why invest 300 million, 400 million in something that's going to stay in the water and I'm going to go once or twice in a year?
110:01
It doesn't make, let me use the 300 million. It will come where I'll just buy it for now.
110:06
Give me the reason why I must buy it. Convince me.
110:09
I'm trying to understand what makes you wake up every morning to still go to work, to still do the stuff that you're doing.
110:14
Keeps you motivated. Yeah, bro.
110:15
Because you have everything, my nigga.
110:17
No, no, no. There's no such thing, Mick G. I'm still a young boy. So...
110:22
So, you see, McG, when you start business, when you started podcasting, it was about you. It was about your dream. And today, you're looking at that young man. He's depending on you to keep this thing going. That he can get. You're looking at that guy. He's depending to say, podcast needs to make this thing. We are looking at soul. Ghost lady knows that Mantha and I have got a salary on this thing. Yeah, she'd be in the streets without us. So the business...
110:47
So you grow into a place where it's no longer about you. Yes. Now you're thinking, you know, every household is three to five.
110:57
It's depending.
110:58
Yeah. So that 2,500 employees that I have only in mining. Gotcha. I cannot fail them. So it becomes bigger than me now. So for me, it's to see myself hiring 20,000 people. That 181 young people who are doing business, small businesses with me. You know, I do more than that. You know, you must come go customer. I must invite you. I bought containers.
111:23
Yeah, so the butchery and the bottle store.
111:26
So what I do is I'm doing other ones in February. So what I do, I just advertise. What is your business? Then I buy you a full container with full equipment.
111:39
Give you startup capital and money for stock. All you need to do is open and go. Sometimes when I drive on the road, I check, okay, that one is selling the water. And I just check. I said, okay, why are you selling in the street? I can't afford the container. Then I buy you a container. Buy equipment. Then you start selling.
111:56
So essentially what you're saying, there's no money. There's no money. Like let's say if your target is 10 billion. But there's nothing like that.
112:02
You're just going to keep on pushing. The more you make money, it's the same as when you're earning a good salary, you earn $100,000. You want to earn $120,000. Gotcha. So you get inspired to do more and more and more. There's never enough money. You need to invest in a place where you know that you're growing because when God gives you this responsibility, you know, There are people that are depending on you. If I go down, that is why the legal route of Benji. I'm not trying to stop Benji from not talking. But I want Benji to stop lying.
112:32
Yes.
112:33
Because it's a perception that he's creating about my name. So I'm taking him to court. I'm taking him for extortion. I've got proof of that.
112:43
I'm taking him to court for defamation. Yeah, defamation. Yeah. He also got served to stop posting. He continued posting. He keeps saying a lot of things. So I'm taking him. Because in 2022, I forgave him. Then three years later, out of the blue, he comes to make G and tarnish my name like this. There's nothing to hide. I don't have a contract.
113:07
Benji has never had a contract with Samanko. This is a contract, we give it to you. If Benji had a contract with Samanko, he was supposed to pay money into his account. What's Samanko saying after the interview?
113:18
Have they reached out to you? Have they reached out to Samanko after the interview we dropped on Thursday? Did they do what? Did they reach out to you, Samanko? Are they like, hey man, what's happening with this?
113:28
Chief, the legal team of those people, it's out of this world. So it's got nothing to do with me.
113:34
So they never reached out.
113:35
It's got nothing to do with Benji said. If I got the contract the wrong way... Yeah, yeah.
113:42
They will have internal because they've got social media people who check these things. Okay. So they will have people investigate. Already, I've got people calling me to say, just a random message with a number that I don't know. We have sent an email. They've sent an email to Samanko to say, but Benji says this guy did not follow the right procedure.
114:00
Why did you block me on WhatsApp, bro? That was weird. Why did you block me? I saw your statuses and then all of a sudden they were gone.
114:07
What did you say?
114:08
What did you say? You said you and Benji, Mac.
114:10
You and Benji are like this.
114:12
You know, what do you behave? What do you behave?
114:16
What do you behave, Mac? Behave. Mac, just behave.
114:20
This boy just rams his mouth.
114:21
Oh, I need a break, you know. Oh, what a break.
114:36
Ah, this one works. Like, like, like, I don't know which, when are you showing this show? You're like, yeah. Thursday. I blue ticked him for better things to do.
114:45
I'm like, this boy. What the fuck? Ah, I'm like, D. I'm like, ah, I'm like, ah, I'm like, ah, I'm like, ah, I'm like, ah, I'm like, I was like, what the fuck? Heaven, heaven.
115:02
You know, and to come to this interview, it was like, I'm one person.
115:07
I don't mind when people say things, as long as my friends and people who know me. Because my community, like, it's still, whatever Benji said, I still get the same love and all of that. Because they know things that they have done and all of that, you understand. So I still got the love. But I felt...
115:24
To come to say money. You know, sometimes perception can go the wrong way. I didn't want to expose this about this guy. Yeah, of course. I never... So, if you say somebody did fraud, that person will sue you. So, I'm standing here and telling you, Benji did fraud, I helped him by saying, I'll give you money to pay this guy so he doesn't go to court. It's...
115:49
Same thing Osamanko, he did fraud, we lost the contact like you saw it on the messages way. It was gone. When I returned that, we were no longer friends. That's why I returned that we were no longer friends.
116:04
We were officially terminated.
116:07
No, I think that's all clear, man. I think you've articulated well. What's the greatest thing you've ever bought?
116:12
Like, personally, where you're like, okay, shit, I'm proud of buying this. You know, it's funny. My first house in Restingbeck, and it's an affordable house. I think it was three, four million, five million then in 2021. Yeah.
116:25
I love that house.
116:27
So it was just that house. Like, you know, it was the first of the excitement of that house buying in, you know, bank and just cash. It was exciting, you know, and yeah. You know, I love houses.
116:38
You have houses overseas?
116:42
Hey, ghost lady, are you shooting your shot? What's happening? Yeah, yeah, yeah. She wants to go housekeeper in Monaco.
116:47
I like to travel.
116:49
I like to travel. When you get to Dubai, just give me a call. You might be lucky.
116:59
You might be lucky, I might say.
117:02
Maybe you booked three days and you still want to sleep over. Go sleep somewhere for two days. My song. For free, you know.
117:08
Can you see my shirt? Can you see my shirt? It says, living my ancestors' wildest dreams. Yeah. I feel like you are doing that, bro. You're living every South African guy, bro.
117:19
Yeah, man.
117:20
You know, I'm still… Of the ancestors combined. Yes! Yeah, yeah, yeah.
117:23
I'm still studying, like, I've got bigger dreams, chief. And surprisingly, I'm still at the mind 24-7. Because… You see the difference between me and my competitors.
117:36
I don't see myself as the CEO. I see myself as an employee. Because now, I can show you a video here where my client, Samanko, was saying when the other guys don't perform, they know they're going to get more transformed. They were talking in front of, I can say it loudly, in front of Andrew Mining, ASB, I'm a competitor. So you guys, when you're not performing, we go to this guy to give us extra. And I've invested so much in the machines. Remember when I started...
118:06
I didn't have machines. I took it from Impala. I took it from McKenzie and all of those things. So I've always wanted to have machines. I own 90% of the machines that I'm mining. So I don't pay a contractor. I only pay McKenzie and Impala for a few of their machines too. Because… You know, in this business, you need to have 87 to 90%. You don't want 100% of your machines and all of those things.
118:28
Listen, man, since you're here, we've got to clear up all the rumors that we've seen about you online, right? Because you're not going to do any other interview, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Let's clear it. Is it true that you gave Mahou 500k just for a number?
118:42
Why the fuck would I do that?
118:45
Why would I give a woman 500,000? Am I that desperate for... To get... Okay, what's... What's the specific? Because... What, because she can sing 500,000? She can sing on the mic.
119:02
Yeah, that's just beautiful.
119:05
She's beautiful.
119:06
Yeah, yeah.
119:06
So that's not true.
119:07
No, that's not true.
119:08
Okay. Also, there's allegations. I don't know why my laptop's taking this. Yeah, yeah. Of your hit list. Because you get one of the craziest hit lists. He even typed them.
119:18
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
119:19
Apparently, you've been with Mahou, Boiti, Night in Akai. Who's Boiti? Boiti, you know the rapper?
119:26
Boiti Tulo. Yeah, she's also from...
119:28
Okay, she's from Northwest somewhere. I don't know where, though. I've never met her, you know? Oh, okay.
119:32
Mahu, have you been with... Have you smashed Mahu? No.
119:34
Have you met Mahu? She has only performed... Oh.
119:37
Boiti, you haven't smashed Boiti? No. She doesn't even know her. Nadia Nakai, did you smash Nadia Nakai?
119:42
What happened with Nadia Nakai? I was in...
119:46
Paris. In Paris.
119:48
And then she went to Paris and I think she took a picture in the tower and I took the picture with my friends in the tower. There's no way she's there without me.
120:03
Not on the same day, not on the same day. Remember, I don't have social media. So one of the people took my WhatsApp status that I've posted this. And then this person is the same as the status when I was talking to Benji, then the next thing I see them on Twitter. So I just now was speaking to my daughter that she needs to help me to block a lot of people because now I'll be saying something in my own space on WhatsApp. The next thing I see on social media to say this, even in Paris, you will never know that I'm in Paris because I don't have any place.
120:34
I put it in WhatsApp for my people. So I've realized, and also I've got a lot of employees, so I don't know who to suspect.
120:43
You understand? But I've decided now, I'm only going to leave 20 close people that I know that can see my status. So that I can see. The rest I'm going to block because… I'll just post maybe one of my employee text there. Then I see on social media already. No, but Soli this and this and this and this.
121:00
So we haven't smashed Nadia Akai. We haven't smashed him. No, no, no, no, no. Mitlali? If we smashed Mitlali.
121:05
He's not going to say it. I feel like this list, my corner. My corner. But he's not going to say it. He's just a smart guy.
121:12
Why wouldn't you say it? He's not going to admit. Why wouldn't you say it? Why? Why?
121:17
Listen, my brother, listen. You see, I don't know. I've always loved, you know, women who are not there.
121:39
Yeah, yeah, yeah. If you look... No, no, no.
121:42
You can look at the woman that... I'm telling you. I was just shy, my son. I'm telling you.
121:47
Let him learn. Let him learn.
121:48
You can look at the woman that I've got a child with. How big mom is Jeff, by the way? No, I've got only three kids.
121:58
So the first two men that I know I've got is two.
122:01
Okay.
122:02
Two big ones. Yes, just two. So I don't, I believe in, you know, you're very quiet people and who are private people. So you never bought Mithleli a car? You never bought Mithleli a car? No, I've never. I've never bought Michalika.
122:18
This guy.
122:20
I've never bought Michalika.
122:22
Okay, you know what I'm trying to understand, right? I'm trying to understand, why wouldn't you own that? Like, what's wrong with you saying, yeah, I've smashed all these honeys? No. Like, what would happen? If I did on this list, I fucking agree.
122:39
If I did, if I would agree. You're talking about beautiful women. Yes, but I'd say, why would you own them? The best, the best.
122:46
Why wouldn't you own them?
122:48
I don't understand why you wouldn't own them. And also, smashing them is not the same as being in a relationship with them. Yes. So sometimes we see people from afar, not that you're going to wife them. You know, many guys have been with a certain woman for a certain time because, but not to make as a woman. Myself. If this was my hit, I'm telling everyone.
123:09
That's why they are basic. That's why I'm a phoony. If anything, they deny you, Meg.
123:15
Yeah.
123:17
No, maybe, okay, the question should be to my soul. Okay, who maybe have you financially assisted?
123:25
Financially assisted how? Like, they're asking for help and then... Who have you veggied?
123:32
The veggie females. The veggie females.
123:37
I want a ghost lead, you mean?
123:41
You don't smash and tell.
123:43
Yeah, okay.
123:44
That's the code, yeah. If I did, you will never know. Okay. That's the code, man. If there's anyone on that list that I've smashed, I will never tell.
123:50
But you get a lot of women, do you get a lot of women coming, like, obviously just requesting?
123:55
Bro, he's the richest man in the USA, bro. You are, you are. My son, you are. Come on.
124:06
I'm just a small boy.
124:07
I'm still up and coming.
124:11
I'm still up and coming. And another thing is that, you know, people are saying I'm showing off. You know, if you have worked hard for your staff and you know that, you know the cars that I drive, it's obviously they attract SIU, the Hawks, how did you get your money? Now I'm living my free life because I know you can come and investigate me. That's why SARS can come any day. I work for my money. No connection, nothing. In my industry, it's not like in parliament or government. Their chief is paperwork.
124:42
It's your experience. It's the system approving you. It's auditors approving you.
124:47
Unless you can buy 70 people and also buy the chairman of the board with a Chinese.
124:53
Bro, do you feel alone, bro? Like to add to what Ghost Lady is saying, right? Because the more money you make, right? I would feel like there will be girls that are throwing themselves at you because you've got money. There'll be niggers that just want to be around you because they know you've got money. Like, do you feel alone, bro? Like, how do you tell, bro?
125:09
The best thing that I've ever done...
125:11
is that the same niggas that have been there with me is the same niggas who are driving my cars. I've never changed my circle since I have money. The same guys I was with in 2021. The only person that we part with is Benji. And it's because of fraud. It's because of the things that he did. And it's because of getting us terminated and losing the work.
125:28
So if you lose it all tomorrow, God forbid, touch wood doesn't happen, right? Is this white guy still going to be your security?
125:35
I can't speak for another man, but for things that and how I treat them, I think they will still go extra mile for me. Okay. Because I believe the way I treat people, if you listen to Benji, if you took the gossip out of it, on the last part, it was the Enagimoto Shop. Mar is greedy because his greedy part, he was just trying to justify what you have. I've done so much for Benji, Chief. If you listen, we can read this, even after the show, I can show it to you. And you can tell that number of Benji. I've done so much for that boy.
126:07
He was supposed to be in jail. I paid for him. I looked after him. Even on that message, you can hear, even his mother.
126:14
You know, Benji, after all of these things, because of...
126:19
The family was struggling because I knew I was taking care of the parents. I went and took her sister to come and work in my business. If I had her, that is not okay. I will now dismiss, find a way. It's in my industry. I'll find a way to dismiss her sister so they can struggle. Her sister still helping.
126:36
So if I was beat, I would tell, you know what? Dismiss this lady because she's a little sister to Benji.
126:43
Brian, what happened? Because Saul was telling me... Again, he didn't want to talk to me because he blocked me.
126:47
Saul was telling me that when he called you, you were talking about how the episode affected even your kids at school.
126:54
Yeah, it did. It is so sad. My daughter was at school and somebody just told my daughter to say... Your father's got everything. What is 900,000 to him? It's crazy. And my sister was at ShopRite, at Chequers, some ShopRite buying something. And she could see the environment where people are looking at her. Like, actually, why Asapadele Benji? My brother, let me tell you something. I'm paying for skills development, right?
127:27
I'm spending five million to take 200 people that have not contributed and can't contribute because the people that I'm taking them to training to do excavate or ADT or the child that I'm taking to university and pay, they can't pay me back. If Benji made me, why not take that five million and give it to Benji?
127:47
Why am I spending? I'm spending close to $600,000 to $700,000 monthly. I can give you proof of payments on students' university that I'm not going to benefit from them. I would give it to Benji. Why would I give strangers and help strangers to go to universities to skills development and deny it to Benji?
128:05
It doesn't make sense. I want to ask you something, right? And please be honest with me. I want to ask you something. So...
128:13
As black people, right? So you mentioned in the interview that for 15 years, you were applying your trade, learning how this money thing works, whatever.
128:22
And then at that time, maybe like no one, you know, people are not seeing you for what your potential, right? Then you get this thing and then you get all this money, right?
128:37
And then my question is, why are we so quick to, to judge? Like, when you start being successful, why are we so quick to be like, oh, you sing a song, but that's why. Or like, oh, there's no way he can be that rich, and he must have paid someone for the contract. You know, like, it goes very negative.
128:57
I'm going to answer you in two scenarios. One is self-hate, black people. We hate ourselves.
129:11
To a point that we don't believe one of us can make it in the right way. Let me tell you something. If I was stealing, I was going to hide those cars, Chief.
129:22
I'll just take one car once in a while. Driving those four cars, seven cars in a row, it's attracting attention. It's attracting you being investigated. It's attracting SARS. But I knew I'm doing everything by the week I've worked hard. One is self-hate. One is...
129:40
The concept that you want to run with is that black people must just see poverty.
129:46
It must start with people like you, Michi, that it is okay to see a black man driving a Ferrari. It's okay to see a black man succeed. But you want to create a concept that it's okay for young people to just see poverty.
130:01
We idolize poverty and poverty is painful. I come from there, Chief.
130:05
I come now and did the thing.
130:07
And then the Sangoma thing is, is a thing of wanting to project your beliefs in other people. So guys, if Sangoma did the thing, Everybody wants to be rich. If there's a snake.
130:27
Because you guys know so much that there's sangomas, there's snakes, there's this stuff. Achieve the way there's so much poverty in our country. Fuck, many people would have gone.
130:38
And the same person who gives you the snake.
130:40
Why are they not rich?
130:43
Will you give me a snake to be rich and you want me to pay you 100,000? Well, I'm going to make millions with your snake. These people are playing with you guys. There's no such thing. If Sangwoma can give me motive to be rich.
130:58
Okay, what's that?
131:03
Why the fuck will you give it to me, bro? If it's true, they will make a contract with you to say, chief, I'm going to help you to be rich. But every month you must bring me money here.
131:19
One million.
131:20
then those Sangomas will be rich. But if you look at, and the problem with me with Sangomas and these beliefs, it's one, Megji. Nobody has ever went to that place and they told him it's okay. We are all sick or we are all raloo. We all have problems that need money. So we all have problems. So why the fuck are you going to go and stress yourself with that shit?
131:38
Because my thing is, my soul, bro, and I don't know what you think, soul. I mean, you look at the Oppenheimers, they've made most of their money from mining, right? Yeah. And stuff like that. And no one ever questions their wealth. No. But later, my soul comes. Then it's like, ah, attack out, runs out. Yay, he's doing this. Like I'm saying. Why?
131:56
Well, what do you think? Because of our history, bro. The white man decided long back that only... Don't be offended, my friend. No, no, but you know, you've been in South Africa your whole life, bro. You know? Yeah.
132:09
You're black. There we go, man. You've had enough black pussy for now. I was like, yeah.
132:14
You know that Instagram pussy, you're black now, bro.
132:17
Booty is life.
132:19
white people made us believe that that's their part that's their place that they deserve to live in the suburb that's why that they deserve the nice life the luxuries of life and we believe that long enough so even post-freedom we still think you know ah how could you know yeah when poverty is our thing
132:40
You know?
132:41
Because you're convinced. No, it's very bad. And you get a stranger hating you for being successful and saying bad things about you as if they know you. Like, I've always suspected that this guy can...
132:56
And they've got cousins, they've got brothers who aspire to be successful. So we are creating this platform that is very hostile to successful black people. Tomorrow your son or your daughter gets the same treatment that I'm getting without getting my side of the story. And then he's weak, he goes into depression. Remember the way I was training because of what Benji said? If I was a weak person, it would have made me to stay in the house and say, what is people going to say?
133:26
You understand?
133:27
So if you are not trained to say that such things, you need to know that there's so much blackhead.
133:35
That we hate ourselves that nobody can be successful. And I'm telling you, what we are creating, we are creating it for our kids. To say black person must never be successful is either connection, is either sangoma, is either a snake. Which is a problem. Guys, this thing is possible if you put your heart and soul in it. And now I believe that we are all destined for something.
134:04
Chief, you can be the most hardworking person. I can tell you now I wake up at 6, live at 7. But if God is not in it or he did not plan this thing for me, I wouldn't be here.
134:16
You can have the best connections of your life. You know the story of somebody who they say used to be rich. But that person today is out and down.
134:26
Yeah.
134:27
It's because it was not their destiny.
134:29
So if your destiny is your destiny, bruh, it doesn't matter who says what or do what. It is your destiny.
134:35
And I want to hear what your thoughts are considering because it seems like now being successful... Let me look nice first. Ah, you've been looking nice for me.
134:44
Justice Washington by the whole network. Chief, you must pose this picture. It's not this thing at .
134:48
The man has been hitting the chair. It seems big.
134:56
But I'm masculine. I'm more masculine.
135:00
I understand you are the one who's saying pose this whole picture.
135:05
There's a picture of 2021, 2022, which was big in 2023. We met you actually. You know, it was new money. I'm happy. You know, I'm saying my first zero.
135:24
I'm eating and drinking everything. And you understand. And I enjoyed the criticism. Yeah.
135:33
You know, there are two different people in this lifetime.
135:37
You know when people criticize you for the right reasons? Yeah.
135:40
you need to take it and work on it. You don't take every criticism. So I said, okay, wait. Okay, they're complaining about, I'm going to go to the gym. You get offended. You must offend us. We must not say anything. So Benji can go around and say, It's okay, because...
136:08
He doesn't have money, I've got money. I look down on him. So the man is insulting me on public platforms. He told you about the bigger kids.
136:25
You understand? Now you can do that.
136:36
You're too old for that shit.
136:37
You must take the girlfriend. Yeah. You understand? Yeah, yeah. You cannot. Especially when you had opportunities to grow in life and you fucked it up. Yeah. Imagine if at podcast you are making 50k.
136:54
Yeah, yeah.
136:55
But I want you to buy shares.
136:57
Yeah, yeah.
136:58
So I'm taking you to my banker. Don't give him ideas, but yeah. Yeah.
137:02
Take 50,000.
137:06
Do stop order. After one year, you will have this much. Then when you have this much, I'll give you the letter to say...
137:12
This guy, give him this machine. This machine is worth $15 million. With this machine, he's going to invoice $3 million. So now I'll make sure that out of that $3 million, $400,000, it pays back. I'll take the responsibility. I did it with the guys that I'm showing you here. They own machines because they listen to say, you're going to do the stopwatch. Every month, you're going to come to me and say... I've saved this much. I'm going to deposit. I've helped guys buy machines.
137:37
And you know, you know, So mentioned something that I think it was after we had recorded. I'm like, oh, shit, you're quite right. Because he was like, and Benji said this. He said that you guys had three months and then you produced.
137:49
Three months. Remember, before you got there, when I met Benji, it was only Baffles West. And my hard work has made me grow to get other minds.
137:58
100%. So you hit target, right? And then Sol was like, okay, what if you didn't hit target?
138:04
No, I was going to be in credit. I was going to be owing the banks. But that's what Saul was saying. I was going to be blacklisted. Yannis got nothing. Yannis got nothing. Nothing is affecting him. If the bank comes and reposes my house, my guarantees, if the bank comes and takes, it's on me, Benji. I don't know what I'm saying. Benji doesn't have to pay attention.
138:26
but I didn't want him to stay in the corner forever that is why you hear in our conversation where he says he regrets not for not listening because I wanted that 200,000 stop orders to help him so that even if we had a fallout tomorrow for whatever reasons that we had At least with a vet machine to take it some way. And let me tell you, Robinson Benjua is a liar. He said, yeah, I'm with you guys. And he said, he bought a plant dear 1.6 million. There's no wash plant dear 1.6 million. Wash plant is 100 million going up.
138:58
I've got plants. You can ask any person. If you're going to buy a wash plant, they are material and chrome.
139:05
The cheapest you get, maybe if you're like... It's an old plant. They're almost 75, 60, 70. Cheapest. And you must know that you're not going to get the quality. You're not going to get the right yield. The right plant starts from 100 million. What do you actually do at the mine, bro? What do you do? Like, what does your company do? What are you getting paid for? We do mining. What we do is...
139:26
Then you hire your geologist, you hire your surveyor, then they put their machines to check where the mineral. After that, you get a drilling machine, it comes and drills, you do the planning. You don't just mine. That is why the Zamas Zamas, they can mine for 10 years.
139:47
But I can come back mining after 20 years and take the real proper because they just take the surface proper. They don't have the technology. And the infrastructure. They don't manage the high hall, the infrastructure. We go deep. One of my operations is sitting on 80, 90 meter high hall. And I'm still sustaining that high hall.
140:03
So geologists come.
140:05
Geologists, surveys. Then we've got the technical team. So we know where the chrome is and you need to mine in a certain sequence.
140:11
Did you say 90 meters?
140:12
Yeah, I've got a high hall. No, open casts. So what you do is you come and drill. You see when Koka sees people drill to get water? Yes. We've got the machines to drill to touch off chrome.
140:22
Wow.
140:22
down at the bottom yeah we drill and after drill we put explosives inside then we blast then we start loading that material the ways to get to the chrome and mining chrome and and any uh community that you need to mine it's not simple you can mix it you can contaminate it you can be fired you need to have the skill you need to have the knowledge you need to know how to do it it's not something that you can wake up and just do chief
140:45
And then what do you do? So now we've got the chrome. We give it to some taco.
140:49
What do they do? You take the chrome. After getting the chrome, you take it to the crusher. After taking it to the crusher, you wash it. That's where they do a lot of things. Remember steel, infrastructure, Chinese and stuff like that, you know, some megwheels of serious cars is chrome. So chrome is all about infrastructure. So every country that is developing uses a lot of chrome because remember there's steel involved, smeltas, where we take it and they make steels and all of those things.
141:18
Don't you think it should benefit us rather than we take this shit out of our land and then we're taking it to China?
141:25
Yeah, you see, my brother, that will be the best thing to ever open in our country. Because if they take this mineral and they take it out of the country, it disadvantages a lot of us. You know, when I was starting to work in the mining industry, there was wheat bank steel. You know how many people were employed in that? Because chrome was washed in our country. Smelters were operating. Most of the smelters are closed now. It is why a lot of people don't have work. It's because the chrome has been taken out of the country. So it needs to stay in this country, get washed in this country, get to the smelters in this country, then it goes.
142:00
It creates more jobs. Then you will have your steel and all of those things. But what we do...
142:05
I don't sit in government. I don't do government.
142:07
But you're profiting from that injustice. How? Because you're making money from that chrome that gets shipped to China.
142:14
You see, Megji, that's where you guys get it from. I've seen where people send me tweets, where people saying that we benefit. Remember, in our country, most of people who've got mining rights are not South Africans.
142:28
Okay. Okay.
142:30
We're just working for these guys.
142:31
Yes, Assamco.
142:33
We're working for these big companies, your Anglos, your Glencos, but they've been given this mining right. You can now, I can go and look for a land.
142:45
And then when I get that land, try to get that land, and try to apply for mining right, somebody already owns it. When you check, it's somebody from Kenco, somebody from England.
142:55
So we can't play on that level?
142:56
No, we play.
142:57
Okay.
142:58
We play. I don't want to tell you a lot of things. Yeah, of course, of course. Yes, yes, yes. But yeah, so...
143:03
Mining rights is the way to go.
143:05
So, do you ever call Patrice? Because I know you just bought a mine. What country did you buy a mine in? Who? Botswana. I forgot.
143:11
I forgot. I don't know, man. But I heard of that.
143:13
So, can't you get on a call with Patrice to say, guys, no minerals are leaving this country until this...
143:19
Or where there was the minister to, you know, try and make change some laws.
143:24
No, there's workshops that are taking place. And remember now, the GNU is disadvantaging us. It's about who votes better for this and this one. So we've got a country where...
143:37
People are running different structures and everything. You know, when it's one part, you can hold them responsible. Now things are getting voted different and stuff like that. But where I'm sitting, it will be nice to wash. I'm actually against that thing. Because we're going to mine so hard, this mineral goes out of the country where... these people don't need to come back to get this mineral for a year or two. That's what happened to everybody who's working at the mines.
144:00
Because this watch could be something you mined, but then it comes back as one point whatever much it is.
144:06
That's true what you say, Megji. What we mine, we take it out and we go back and buy the same steel bag. We're buying our mineral bag with double charge.
144:15
It's bad. It's not a good concept. Anyway, ghost lady, last question. They gave me a question that she wants to ask. Okay, I've got two questions.
144:21
They gave me a question.
144:22
No, no, no, no. They gave me a question. Whose question is it? Whose question is it anyway?
144:27
That guy threw me the phone. No, no, no. It's something separate. It's something separate.
144:32
I've got two questions. Will you be assisting MT to fill up F&B still? And then number two, you spoke about...
144:42
starting a boutique hotel in Hartis. There by where your house is. But there's a huge algae problem there by Hartis Dam. Are you involved in assisting?
144:53
So I saw myself the algae problem in Hartis Dam.
144:56
So how are you building there?
144:58
This one with the boyfriend, they always go there. So that thing is irritating.
145:03
Yeah. That green stuff. That green stuff. Where I'm building the hotel, it's affected by that.
145:09
Is it? So yeah.
145:09
So we're working towards sorting it out permanently. Wait, what's happening there? Remember that... Your platform is too big to mention certain things. The thing is... That thing can be taken away permanently. But somebody...
145:26
is making sure it doesn't go permanently so they can get money from the municipality.
145:31
No way. No way.
145:34
We have approached the right people to say, because I'm building the hotel. The hub of my hotel is just being affected. So I want to sort this thing. I've met consultants and everything. They say, chief, we have taken this to municipality to say, we can take this thing away forever. But they rather go for McG and McG does it monthly or three months. It's done on paper so that thing doesn't go away. It's a water mafia.
146:04
It's an algae mafia.
146:05
It's a algae mafia. It's a algae mafia now.
146:07
Ah, we are damned.
146:15
Because I'm building the hotel there, so I got consultants. Remember, you can't just build a hotel. You need guys who are going to come and do market research. You're good to do that. And I was like, one of the things we picked up, I was like, I've got a problem with this thing because one of the things I'm going to buy boats That's where I'm going to show you.
146:35
And Hathi is not the same anymore. Exactly.
146:37
Because of that thing.
146:39
That thing just ruins everything.
146:41
And I heard you say that you've got a boat there. It comes and goes. It goes and comes.
146:46
But it's man-managed. It can go away forever, the thing.
146:51
Empty.
146:51
You're helping him fill up. I didn't see that. Was that on social media? I didn't see that. Yeah, I want to help him. He was performing at my farm.
146:59
he was performing, he's down to earth, that guy, man.
147:02
Yeah, I don't know. He's chill. Yeah, yeah. Super chill, man.
147:04
He's a good human being. You know, the spirit is good. Yeah. You know, and he's like Cuesta. Like, one of my favorite artists in the country is Cuesta. You know, you'll call Cuesta to come and perform at your farm. He doesn't come with attitude. Perform and he goes. He will sit there and have his... You're out. You will have his Anakin and you will talk with him. Yeah. You know, he's a good human being. I like people like that, you know, that you can engage with him.
147:27
So even this boy, yeah.
147:29
So then I was sitting there, then that boy, yeah, and, you know, he was going through, so I was like, no, Chief, I'm going to help you. Already, I've got a sound.
147:38
It's just to add there and there, but my sound can do F&B. I'm buying another big stage as well, so I'm going to help him.
147:46
What was happening with you and Babalo? We saw that video. You guys were getting high.
147:50
You guys, you guys, you see, that's the thing, man, about media. I was dancing with every artist there.
147:57
No, no, no. Joe, you must check my excess.
148:07
I know what you're talking about. I got you. I got you. You can accuse me if you want to accuse me of a woman or that you think whatever that is.
148:32
She must be meeting. That's it. No, no, no, no, no. My soul, my soul. Where are we? Are you dating? Are you still married? What's happening? Where are we now? Are you single? Usan Lebella.
148:51
In fact, I'm not married.
148:55
The marriage thing in our country, you need to be very careful before you get married.
149:03
That industry has changed and the laws are favoring...
149:15
You see, ghost lady, what happens is that in this thing, once you get, remember you need to go to workshops. I attend workshops about business.
149:25
And a guy will stand up and say, I dated my girlfriend for two years.
149:32
This guy, they've been happily dating and everything. Immediately that guy gets married. Six months down the line, they divorce because this guy's got money. Even if you've got the best prenups and best lawyers in town, they want to tell you, you must take care of the lifestyle that he was used to.
149:49
So now you're taking, you're giving a lifestyle.
149:52
And now they expect that.
150:12
You understand? I want to get married. I believe in marriage. I believe in love. You've been married before, right?
150:20
No, I've never been married. Oh, you've never been married. I've never been married. So my wish, my wish, my wish, my wish, is to have that person that knows what they want.
150:31
So you want a little housewife, right?
150:33
No, no, no, no, no, no, no. If you're a good woman, you know, there's one thing, right? About women, they, they, they, it's a problem. But let's not go there.
150:55
It's very difficult in your position to find genuine love.
151:01
Yeah, because you don't know what people come with. But I really do want to get married.
151:07
Why do you want these girls to play with your toes, man? That's weird, bro. Why must they play with your toes? That's weird, man. What are you talking about? No, there's a girl that was with you and she said you'd like them to play with your toes.
151:18
Oh, massage.
151:20
Yeah, massage the toes. Oh, massage the toes.
151:22
What's up with that, bro?
151:24
There's no such thing.
151:25
Nothing wrong with that, bro. Nothing wrong with that, bro.
151:29
People's things happen in people's bedroom things happen. That's okay. That's not creepy, man.
151:34
I've got so many...
151:45
women who are claiming me or that they've dated me. You know, I get the message to say, yeah, this person has said, I've never met this person. And every time I fly out of the country, yo, I take a small prayer in the corner. I just wish there's no celebrity where I'm going.
152:00
Because if I land in that area and then there's a celebrity, a whole known person.
152:06
My solo name.
152:08
And you're safe.
152:10
I'm even scared. We don't waste time.
152:12
I once went to... I was going to Greece. So I was going to... I was going to Greece first class.
152:22
Oh, the lounges. The lounges. The lounges.
152:24
I didn't see the first class.
152:34
Because once I'm inside that lounge, there's curtains. It's curtains, it's curtains.
152:42
So wait, you downgraded yourself to business.
152:44
No, no, no, I did not downgrade. I just went out and I went to the business lounge and they said, but you must go to first lounge. I said, nah, I'm okay here. Then I just stayed in the lounge. Then I got to buy it.
152:58
When you get used to it, it becomes normal.
153:00
It becomes only class, man.
153:11
I get used to it. But it's very comfortable because you can sleep. I can talk to you in almost South Africa while I'm up there. Network. You've got access to network. You know, I can phone network. So my life doesn't stop because I'm flying for 20 hours. And privacy. And that privacy is so relaxed. Eat whatever you want to eat. Food and drinks and stuff.
153:34
We are there behind go chicken and beef. Yeah.
153:42
I don't like my chicken or beef. It's okay, my son.
153:47
What question do you have here? Actually, I want to know, bro. You know, as a man, sexual discipline is very important. But how do you keep it intact when you've got all the money in the world and you can get any girl? How do you sometimes just, you know?
154:05
I don't know where people get concerned.
154:07
I've heard a girl say, no, I'm not interested.
154:11
And not because they're not interested. They fear that other girls have got access to me.
154:20
There's a disadvantage to these things.
154:21
And you've got easy access to any other girl as well. So Amir, I like this lady. Ghost lady. But she looks at her, but I'm working at ShopRite. Why would my soul like a girl like me?
154:32
No, I have one now that I don't like my soul. It's fine. I've got mine.
154:37
So they, yeah.
154:39
I see why you like her so much.
154:44
So it's an advantage and it's a disadvantage. And also when you are in a relationship, The insecurity part becomes the problem because women are overthinkers as well. So they're thinking. So it's not easy to contain.
155:00
You need a mature woman who understands that you are busy. You're always at work. Sometimes, you know, I can be with you when mining is stressing me. I can be with you. You can talk alone.
155:10
While I'm here because I've got DMRI on side, they are not happy about this. They've closed this section. It's a lot, it's a lot. I just got an invoice now to say the breakdowns in all your operations need 22 million right now.
155:22
understand so that you'll be busy with all of those stuff so you need a very understanding person you can go and buy your new lingerie and i'll just look at you and just go to bed because that's that environment is not easy and it's it's it's it's it's a lot of white doing it so there's the sabotages will always be there so because i'm in a space where it was never believed that people can make it So there will always be that fight, to fight, to keep, to win that. You know, it was hard for me to get suppliers when I was starting.
155:56
Guys were saying, no, we can't supply you. We can't supply you. So it was very difficult. So I had to fight that battle. Can I supply you with this? Yeah, yeah, yeah. No more favors. Fuck you, bro. We remember. Nah, chill.
156:12
What does a My Soul party look like? Are we leaving the phones at the door? Do you vet the people that are coming? What does a My Soul party look like, man? Because we've never been invited.
156:20
No, I'm going to invite you.
156:22
I'm going to invite you. The day I invite you, I must be careful.
156:30
We can comply.
156:31
I'll call you guys. We'll have a beer and then Sol, you can play and all of that. What does it look like?
156:39
What's happening?
156:41
Chief Wizzy, the guys I leave, it's like the same as this. I don't have...
156:46
billionaire rich friends. I won't do that because I'm still with the same guys that I've been with from day one. They're still my boys. Yeah, those cars that they're driving, they're in my name. He's telling the truth.
157:02
So my guys can be driving Polo skates and my guys Ferrari. And there's no free-offs, nothing. There's no free-offs. No, we don't do that. So the boys are driving your Mercedes and stuff like that. So if you're giving somebody who's earning 40 to 50 to 60K per month, you give them a car that if it goes on breakdown...
157:19
Then you build the guys. The thing is, when you start like Benji's confessing that you're starting with 400,000, 500,000, all of those things. They don't know how to manage these things. So you need to start them slow, grow them, mentor them, check how they're using their money, take them to workshops and all of those things.
157:36
Bro, I heard that the reason why Mapodis and Tulipi were fighting was because of you. What happened there?
157:43
What are you talking about?
157:45
And Tulipi is the speck.
157:47
You know, a woman in the STD.
157:51
I'm so glad there's a peony that would like stick women. I was worried there for a second. Aya Ness is prop, I see. Beautiful.
157:56
She is.
157:57
She's amazing. She's beautiful. But you said Tulipi and Mapolix have fought. Yes, yes. Because of me.
158:05
Yeah, when you booked him to come play at your gig at Sun City, I think.
158:10
Oh, yeah, it was on my... But I was with my girlfriend, the one that I've got a child with. Yeah, yeah. So according to you, what happened? That's why... I wouldn't... Yeah, I wouldn't. You know, when I was dating that woman, I loved that woman. I wouldn't even risk to do that. No, no, no, no. But you heard about the story, though? No, I heard somebody telling me there's... They fought at my party or there was cases and stuff like that. But because he came and performed at my event, I'm the resident. But I was with my woman then.
158:40
So my woman was... Even the pictures when my police was playing, I was dancing with my woman. I was sitting with my woman. I left my party with my woman to my room. So they were fighting for me. I don't know that. Yeah. I don't know that. But I think, yeah, now on his side, he believed the story because...
158:57
I'll speak to them to book them and then they just don't come back to me.
159:01
Yes, yes, yes.
159:02
And then I've realized because I used to be close to one of his... Managers, yeah. No, no, no. One of his DJs. I don't want to mention his name. They are very close. When they do gigs, they do gigs together.
159:13
Oh.
159:14
He used to come and perform at my gigs and stuff like that.
159:20
At my foundations and all of that. But now, since this story and this rumor, he will call me, come and perform. Then after two days, he doesn't pick up the call. So I think this rumor is the reason. Yeah, I think this rumor is there. And you had nothing to do with it. No, no, no, no. I don't have access to these girls.
159:40
No, I don't have access to these girls. Maybe if I've got access, you never know.
159:45
And at your event, you've got access to everyone. You don't need to talk to them. But your word can get to anyone in the room.
159:52
But my problem with the it girl is...
159:58
Chief, they get to see a lot of people in my level.
160:01
I was saying on Monday, we need a baddies commission.
160:15
When you get to a certain age, you want the comfort home.
160:20
You want the woman to come home to see your kids running around in the house. Getting married before you made it was the best decision you've made for your life. So when you get at my stage, I'm playing careful. Before I say, let me get married. You reach a point where you understand that money is not everything. You want to go to work, come back to a home home. A warm home. Your wife is there, is cooked for you. Your kids are playing around the house. And there's three things that I need in a woman.
160:51
Just respect.
160:52
Self-respect. If you're not happy about something, sit down with me. But Labba, they don't listen. They're always right.
161:00
What?
161:03
You're not my soul here. Yeah. You're my husband.
161:06
I'm like, I'm my soul.
161:08
No, no, you're not my soul.
161:10
You see, they do that and stuff like that.
161:14
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you know, they want to bring you down to your knees. Just because of my soul, you understand. You want to. Yeah, you want somebody who's going to.
161:24
You know, you can debate and talk to them nicely and stuff. Chief, you can have it all in your life, but if you don't have a wife and to come home, it doesn't make sense. It's like, what are you working for? What are you working for? Yeah, I want to get there.
161:38
I'm working for my kids. What do you mean? Yeah, no, but that's what I'm saying. Like, those things matter. Yes, you want the woman.
161:43
You want the quality woman who understands.
161:47
who if you don't if you miss a call doesn't get angry because you're in meetings and get a wrong message bible verse and stuff like you are dealing with serious issues so yeah bro I just realized we didn't ask Benji this when he was here but I'll ask you because you're here now when it's all said and done what do you want to be remembered as man because I know you don't do interviews this is probably the last interview you wanted to ask Benji yeah
162:09
You know, I think it's two months, three months back. You know what Benji did? That guy. I'm glad I'm no longer his friend.
162:17
This guy...
162:31
Apparently took money from her own girlfriend. The one that is saying, my wife, my wife. They are not married, man. They are just dating. He took the money and then he went somewhere to date some lady. And then they...
162:44
she created a fake story on social media to say, somebody must post one of his friends that he's been kidnapped, he's been taken by a certain bike. It was not the first time he did it. So the wife and everybody, they go to police station to open the case.
162:58
Five hours later, the following day, not the following day, around three o'clock, the wife posts on social media, I'll show you, to say, now I'm worried that the person is kidnapped and he took money from my account to go and I load you all.
163:11
The wife, they can take me to court. And it's not the first time. There was a time he also kidnapped himself. We are all looking for Benji.
163:22
We are all looking for Benji. When she left, you must call him for an interview.
163:32
We looked for him. You don't have to listen to me. You can call one of the boys that I came with. Call Shaba to come here. Get the mic ready, please. That boy kidnapped himself. We looked for him. We looked for that boy. So when I find out about that...
163:56
What is it?
163:57
I don't want to be as if I'm leading him.
163:59
Yes, yes, yes, yes, that's crazy. Just give him the mic there. Yeah, give him the mic there, bro.
164:06
Albin G. No, Shab, I'm not going to throw you under the bus. I don't want you to fight my battles. Can you tell us about the kidnapping story, Chief? Yeah.
164:21
No, this was his close friends. So these are the guys that we used to leave. So I went angry at him. So what they did is...
164:30
The kidnappers...
164:50
So after baking butter beans, you were phoned or no, guys come and pick me up.
164:57
I pissed at it dead.
165:01
It looked, I'm not lying, it looked, it looked real. And this one, I was telling you to have an ex-girlfriend. Ah.
165:16
I just don't understand why Benji would come here when you've got so much stuff like and you have all the receipts of just generally everything, you know?
165:38
Like, I don't understand. Was he banking on your silence?
165:42
Yeah, no, no.
165:43
It's so embarrassing, you know, and like humiliating. You used to insult me like this.
165:48
This is how you used to insult me. I want to show you where you kidnapped.
165:53
This is Timo Sadia Hai who posted this new social media update. Benji's alive and well and he turns out the whole kinetic story was a fabrication. He's currently living his best life at a lot in bread with his girlfriend enjoying the 25k he took from my account.
166:11
This statement against Musadi will hide. Yes, it's a... So post, Facebook post.
166:17
Musadi have postulated this thing. Meanwhile, I was busy running around to police station believing the lie. It's crazy how far some people go to keep their disciples. So let's learn, trust my instincts, not Benji. Thanks for everyone who showed concern and support. Guess I'll just add. You see this post, ne? Jesus. You can go go cast, ne? It was trending with Benji. He's been kidnapped. Mm, mm, mm.
166:38
So people... And with a suspect, obviously.
166:42
I don't know. Why would I benefit?
166:45
Even now, he's learning the same stories. And I can go on the streets because... There's people you can fight. Okay. If Kabata Benji, why am I there to benefit?
166:56
Yeah, yeah, true.
166:57
Bro, wait.
166:57
What's his name? What's his name? Shaba. Shaba.
167:01
You knew both of them, bro. So when you see his story and Benji's story, what's your take? Because you knew both of them.
167:08
What is good about what I know? I wish you could use that intelligence somewhere. He knows how to play a victim.
167:17
Benji is good because I saw even Megji was...
167:34
So I was like, I'm not going to give interview. I'm just going to let it be. But I can see it's getting out of hand. Because even today, apparently, he posted on Facebook to say that he's afraid to leave his house and all of those things.
167:48
That's a lie. Why would he come at the Benjamin? What is there?
167:52
That doesn't make sense.
167:54
What am I going to benefit?
167:55
No, my soul. Look, can I ask one question, right? Because, I mean, there's a time where you and him were friends, loved him, you looked out for him for the longest time. If you were him now, what would you do or how would you advise him, like, from where he is in life right now and he just wants to build himself up, especially because you know him?
168:14
but we're not only speaking there's no turning back so i need him to hear this i'll never be friends with that guy for the rest of my life one i did myself to i did him more to take him out of jail Two, I still took care of them after the contract was terminated to try and help him.
168:32
Three, I was called by a lot of people that he defrauded, that he promised them. You saw the message. I told you, you can call the number to show that it's not AI. You can call it now. You can unblock him on my phone and call him. So he tarnished my name in 2022. He's coming back three years later to do the same thing with lies.
168:52
If Benji's got the contract, There's a pro bono any good lawyer. Even now, I'm telling you, after I came into you, there's people who have offered to help you. I asked him, yeah. But because he's lying, you will never go to those people. Because it's an easy case, easy win. Because he's lying, he will never go to the lawyers.
169:10
because he knows he's lying. And another thing that I need to tell you, he's claiming the lawyers that wanted to help him needed one million. Then he comes to you and says he had 1.6 million to buy the plant. So if you've got 1.6 million in your plant versus getting your 300 million from my soul, you take that 1 million, you give it to the lawyers to come to me. There's no man who will stop challenging you for his money.
169:43
You say I'm letting you go.
169:45
And I'm going to buy a plant now. I know. Chief, you've got 1.6 million. Oh, you're right. Chief, 1 million that we invest with the lawyers to get 300 million. Yeah. Invest it. And then now, I'm going to throw him under the bus.
170:01
If he has 1.6 million, did he pay us? Where did he get this 1.6 million? Because there's things that they were doing. Because they got inspired by me, they decided to do it the illegal way.
170:12
So police must go and check where did he get that 1.6 million.
170:18
The money for a wash plant, the police must go and investigate where did he get 1.6 million.
170:25
Because I can tell you the stuff that he was doing. So I'm saying on the podcast, police go and check. Benji says he had 1.6 million.
170:35
So where did he get 1.6 million?
170:37
He's finished now.
170:40
So I need to know.
170:45
Let me tell you something about Benji. He still has an opportunity to grow. You see, he said here in this podcast, he said to you guys, he can be disloyal to this other guy, even if I gave him 100 million. Yes. That guy's talking about this. My worst enemy doesn't like me.
171:02
Their president said, my soul's a food. That guy also doesn't like me. So they are working with him. Gotcha. Yeah, he was wearing the shirt. That is why even the speech is because of that and all of that. Remember, I'm the guy who's performing in mining in that section. These people want to enter the mine. That's why I become... And you're not funding them. That's why my soul says food. You're not funding them. I've been invited to Galadina. My problem is rejecting the Galadinas.
171:29
My problem is... You see, I don't want to help any political party. Some of these political parties, they even go to the clients to say, why you don't terminate his work? Yes. Everybody is working. Because if you refuse...
171:44
They don't eat. If you refuse, yeah. And then mining is something. People want to enter that space. They see you. And I'm saying, I'm not stopping everybody to do that. But there's processes.
171:55
You need to put your papers on Kupa when it's advertised. It needs to go to the board, to the ESCO for it to be approved. Mining is not governmentive. You can have all the connections that you want. But if Kupa doesn't accept your papers... If the escrow board doesn't, is not happy. If the Chinese are not happy about the paperwork, validating that you, can you do these things? Remember, these people are investing money to get their money back. They're investing billions.
172:25
Billions, yeah. So imagine connection here, contract there of billions of mines they just sign because when you are making noise, you are striking. Now for billions contract because you are rasa.
172:36
You could go see it.
172:39
Yeah, man.
172:40
There's no one who will give you a multi-billion contract because when are you keeping quiet? Because they will go to police station to open a case. Or this guy says, if we don't give him a contract, you will be arrested, chief. Those things, they get that. You see in government, it's about who you know and stuff like that. They're in mining. This is how it works, chief. They advertise.
173:06
Then you don't take, you go to Cooper system to load your paper. It's a computerized system. It gives you hours. You put your stuff, you put.
173:18
Once it's on it, if there's a paper that you've missed, you can't put it.
173:23
And then this is how the Cooper system works. Because I want to also implement it for advertising the projects that we can see for that.
173:31
Any person who goes and opens that system, will be dismissed because it needs to be opened by the panel. So all these 100 companies that have advertised it, the panel must open. It shows on the time to say, This person has opened this thing. So the police of the company says the panel will meet and they will open the system. No one touches it till then. So if you give you connection, he's lying to you. Your work must pick up for you. Then it goes to ESCO.
174:04
It's owned by the Chinese. They're all shoulders. So those guys...
174:09
their head of procurement is Chinese. He's the one who's checking with all this team of these things. He's the one who's checking with these guys and all of those things. To say that, is this thing proper? Le'en, I have it.
174:22
If it's like an ESCO, if it's like a body CEO, a body head of procurement, then it goes to the board. Now the shareholders, the guys who own, the Chinese guys, then they say, okay, we are happy with the processes. This guy, we can give him that mine of 2 billion or 3 billion or 5 billion to do that mine because he's got the capacity. We will get the chrome. Remember that also they've got contracts to take chromes somewhere. If that chrome is not delivered, They lose money. So you think they will give you because of when we're a striker.
174:53
We're a striker. Those guys want crew. They don't want strikers out.
174:57
So if you got this process to be there.
175:02
Bro, that's what I've been saying about tenders, dog. Like imagine they used AI for tenders. So all these companies like Cooper System, they apply for the tenders and then the AI chooses the best one who can do the tender. There will be so much less violence, bro.
175:17
You see, my brother, the thing is go government. I'm also voting. You know, I've been approached for years to do government tenders. I've never done government tenders.
175:25
That is why I don't have political affiliation. There's no political. And it pisses a lot of them out. Because nobody can control me. They rather fight me behind the scenes. Sensors. My soul save food in India. Stuff like that. Because they can't control me. And who's this boy? How did he get here? Because they are used to people that they've connected. Yeah.
175:51
But this one, because he got this thing straightforward, we can't control him. So let's find a way to fuck.
175:58
And Saras is, you're good.
176:00
Chief, now I'm telling you, I'm saying, Saras, if you are listening, they know. I'm fighting because how do you audit...
176:09
One person. I asked the other guys that I'm competing with to say, guys, when last did you say, sir? Some, they've seen them two years back. But because now I'm black and I'm in that environment, I got audited three times. In a year. In a year. And it's also because you showed me well. I've got another audit.
176:26
But my soul, you have to apportion some blame to yourself. It's also because you show your wealth. Yes, to inspire people, et cetera, but that also has attracted souls.
176:37
Sol, I understand that. I attracted that. Let me give you the reason. I attracted that because I'm not stealing from anybody. Yes. Because I've hired the best team to come and work. One of my tax managers was working for SARS as an auditor. Then I gave a better offer to come and work for me so that my auditing can be leveled up. And you know what was one of the conditions? To say, if I'm coming to join you, on my contract, there's going to be conditions. If you don't pay SARS, I'm gone.
177:06
you're not going to embarrass me oh yeah it's true because she didn't want to join a company that she doesn't know if it's going to be here in the next 10 5 years yes sars is there for life she's got her own responsibility and her kids so she was like chief i can see you are working hard and all of that and then when starts audits you are here it means you've got discipline because a lot of business people when sars comes and audit them they run away but you are always here so I hired her to come in. Come on. You guys cannot blame me for working hard and being able to celebrate my success openly.
177:42
Yeah. Yeah.
177:44
You cannot want to control me to say you can only drive one car. You can't borrow your guys' cars. I've worked hard for it. I did not steal from anyone. So allow me. The funny part is you guys go with your friends in a sharper convoy. But because of the convoys are different guys with different cars, it's okay. But just because that convoy is a problem.
178:03
No, no, no. I'm not saying there's a problem with that. I'm just saying.
178:09
He wants to drive a Ferrari. Because those kids are just cars to me. But the fact that I can drive that Ferrari, he gets inspired.
178:17
These things are achievable. These things we can do it.
178:32
And they start seeing themselves on that level. So you start thinking, you can see, you start taking his girlfriend to holidays overseas. You are creating these boys that there's more to life and to work hard. And you can achieve these things. Beautiful. You understand? So we see life differently.
178:52
Yeah, man.
178:52
Convoys a day. The problem is the convoy. The only ghost lady. The convoy is in the conference center. So the problem is that you have to do it.
179:06
Stop it!
179:16
I'm SARS must come.
179:18
They must investigate if they have to have been investigated, bro. To a point where me and my office, we send a letter to the commissioner of SARS to say, guys, what is happening? Why are you auditing me now and then? How do you audit? When I talk to everybody, there's no company that's been audited three times in one year.
179:37
In closing, my soul, where do you want to be remembered as, man? When it's all said and done, man.
179:42
that black child, our dreams are valid no matter the circumstances. I was not born rich. I was not a trust fund child. There's nothing. I started from my own. And you know what is the fighting part? When I passed my matric, all my friends were in two colleges and university. My parents couldn't afford to take me. So fortunately in life is that where my mom stays behind, there was an open cast mind. It was 10 minutes. That's why I'm saying these minds were directly affecting me. I grew up in the minds.
180:13
I needed him, but we didn't need each other. We were all given the same chances to tender for this project. They did not connect me. We are all invited. Even guys who don't go to matches, when they advertise this project, they advertise for everybody from the community that is directly affected for them. So luckily enough, after passing my metric, there was a mine just behind the graveyard. There was a mine there. So when I walked there, you know, this guy called Jeff Butler, he was the site manager. So the guy, this is me. What's up? I was very sad because all my guys have went to college and universities.
180:47
And then this guy says, what's up? I'm looking for work. You look young. I just passed my metric. My parents doesn't have money to take me. to university or to college.
180:56
I'm looking for work. He says, come in. Let me check. Checks my CV. No reverence. No work experience. I just finished school. It's January.
181:07
This guy says, come here. Are you a first-line shop? I'll make you a satellite.
181:12
I became a satellite. He's still there. I still visit that old man. Then I started being a side leg. I started teaching myself and studying while I was working for the past 15 years. I managed. I got promoted from side leg to a blaster to a production foreman. I've done it all. AEL took me for explosive engineering with units. I've done all of those things. I've went through everything else. So I want black child to know that your dream is valid no matter the circumstances.
181:44
Your current circumstances is not the end of you. You need to believe in your dreams and surround yourself with the right people.
181:52
Surround yourself with the right, not people who sees your success as a threat.
181:58
Never. And people don't understand. You know when people say, God bless you.
182:05
You must never take those words for granted. The things that I've done for people and developing people has brought me blessings more than ever. The kids that I take to university, the groceries. You know, I've got a program when I give groceries. I tell the counselors of that area. That's why Benji says I've captured the counselors because counselors knows the households that are struggling. So I communicate with them to tell me, tell me the houses that are struggling. So when I give food parcels, I tell them to bring child-headed families. You know that guy who's 18 or 19 or 15 years who had to become a parent at a young age because they've lost their parents.
182:40
So they bring them to me, then I take them to school, then I give them jobs.
182:45
That's my story.
182:46
So this one, there's no contract. I'm saying he must get... Okay, I'm willing to pay for his legal fees to fight me. Marie must bring his own lawyer here. LAUGHTER Somebody tell Benji, he must get the best lawyers. He must give them that contract. That is claiming that he was given by me. He must give those lawyers. I'm committing to South Africans. I'll pay those lawyers.
183:12
And then they must fight me. But if I win that case, him and those lawyers, I'm suing both of them. We must sign before.
183:19
Because they must check his contract before coming and fighting with him.
183:21
Yeah, yeah.
183:21
Because it's the same contract that I've given to this young man.
183:24
Yeah.
183:24
It's the same contract. It says JV partnership. I've given it to Lot. Yeah. But let me, let me, I don't want you to say I'm lying. Let me show you.
183:31
Man, it's insane. The fact that you gave him the contract and you opened the door for him, which he didn't walk through, then he comes and then... Let me show you. I'm still trying to wrap my mind around how some people think. This is my head of peace, eh?
183:43
Yeah. This contract, eh? I want to show you.
183:47
One of those contracts is the same thing. It's JV. The same way that Benji has.
183:52
This is proof of payment. Yeah. But when I'm paying 3.6 million to a local company. No, no. 2nd September. It was September. It's a local company that I'm mining next to so that I'm developing these boys to help business people. Let me show you the messages that I get.
184:07
And there it says Rory Lerner. That's one of your, obviously, mentees.
184:12
Let me show you. These guys, Barato Postor, I've made them who they are.
184:18
Yo!
184:19
It's crazy, man. Hey, man, we all need my soul money, man. Fucking hell, man. That's a black child.
184:38
And this is the status update, live now. Yeah.
184:42
So, Chief, there's a lot of people that have changed lives. Yeah, man. I'm not talking here, say, here. And I'm not saying, listen to me. I'm saying...
184:52
I was not going to go guys and park your car somewhere else. There are people who are bitter who are supporting benches because of I've not reached their lives and I cannot do everybody at the same time. That's true, man. Yeah. That's the problem because of now, even them, the guys who are surrounding me, they're getting hate because I've developed their lives. So people or some people, you know, they say that's why you must move out of cars. So the fact that I'm developing these ones and I'm still doing... They take it personal. So any negative thing said about me, they support it.
185:23
So it's part of life.
185:25
People can be angry at Jesus for not changing their lives yet. So who are you, bro? You know?
185:30
Let's wrap it up, man. And I'll wrap it up by saying that, obviously, we've always been a fan of yours. Obviously, people will send you the bad stuff, we see. They never send you the good stuff. But my soul knows, bruh.
185:42
Remember when you came to Rustembeck? Yeah, you pulled out, man. You came through. We chill. No, man, I don't know. You've never said anything negative. And I look at your show as your hustle. Mm. So if somebody wants to give you news that's going to give you viewers, Chief, and to help everybody sitting in this room, why not? So if I don't want to have a bad name, I must do things right. Why must I hold you responsible for doing things wrong? But that one, you're forgiven.
186:17
No, but it's fine. Before the whole Benji thing, and for me, like, yo, bro, number one, I'm talking personally. Sol will say in Goosly, for me, the hit list, I'm like, yes, that's...
186:33
It's inspiring. Goosly.
186:34
Goosly and you are merry. Stop it.
186:37
That hit list is inspiring, right? For real. Yeah. It's impressive. What, Sol? You know why? I don't find it inspiring because... Whoa! Because half of those girls, they all have a price, man. So to me, it's like...
186:53
You see, it's impressive, but it's also like, well, they'll do it for other 10, 5, 100, 100.
186:59
Can I stand in and talk about, to defend these ladies that you guys see, they've got price list and stuff. There's no lady in this country who doesn't have a price list. No, no, no, no, listen, listen, listen. Every woman that you want to date, they've got needs.
187:20
Even your wife, he saw potential of you becoming somebody else. If he did not see the potential in you, not. It's just that these ones, they make it clear to you to say, for you to afford me, you must be able to travel, you must be able to take me to... They are open about it. That's why they get judged harshly.
187:38
Okay.
187:39
But... Even the ones that you think they don't want those things, that you think they are simple, they want them. They do. Every time they get a chance to date a person who can do that, they want these things. So there's no woman in this country or in the world who doesn't want to be spoiled and to be taken care of. It's just this one, they tell you straight. I want this. X, Y, Z.
187:59
So I'm saying what inspired me and what I love about your story, number one for me, was the hit list.
188:04
This niggas is wild. This is this.
188:07
Can I taste your beer? Yeah, yeah. It's cold now. It's been an ice, yeah. You know when you lie, eh?
188:22
Your posture, like, that guy was not comfortable.
188:25
Yeah, yeah, yeah. He kept contradicting himself.
188:29
He tells you, he says, Yeah, yeah, yeah.
188:38
So how do I afford to take you to meetings?
188:42
How do I afford to pay for everything?
188:45
But remember, our job is not to... We're not cut blanche here. We're not here to second question everything that he's saying. Just give him a platform to tell his story.
188:56
Your beer tastes nice, but it's got...
189:03
He ends way. Namibia, yes. Namibia, yes.
189:08
We made it in Namibia.
189:09
No, but it's not Namibia. It's made in Namibia. So remember what the mining guys were doing to you, the white guys? Not giving you like machinery and blocking you when you started. So they're doing the exact same thing to him. He couldn't get anyone in the country. Yeah, he couldn't get anyone in the country to brew the beer.
189:27
So the beer mafia closed. Thank you.
189:29
So they had to go to Namibia. Thank you, Vicky.
189:32
Let me buy shit so that we can grow.
189:34
Ah, say less, my nigga.
189:35
Yo, yo. Say less. Say less.
189:41
Inside.
189:43
But even if I buy shares, but I'm still coming to you.
189:48
Oh, so make you have a price now.
189:52
Oh, make you have a price now. And then maybe sentence. You come here to do public apology.
190:02
Kistering. Yeah, you must come kistering.
190:05
I'm coming for you. Kistering must search the truth. You see now when I involve lawyers.
190:11
When I involve lawyers, I don't like wasting my money. Because that is why my court order came out very quick. Because you need to get the best lawyers to get a quick sit-in. But I mean, I did it before, you know... But let's drop it. Let's drop it. You know I'm broke. I'm fine.
190:29
Let me sit.
190:29
Let me sit like this.
190:31
Kiss the ring, then massage the toes. Kiss the ring, massage the toes.
190:35
You were too arrogant yesterday. Massage the toes. No, make him massage your toes. I blue ticked my soul.
190:44
I blue ticked my sword. I've got busy things to do. This one is going to change.
190:51
Because your lawyers...
190:55
Your lawyers need to be honest with you. You can bring the best lawyers.
191:00
Make G you fucked up. Especially you are still continuing to put it on your head. You are saying...
191:07
to the law of the country today said i'm mcg even if i've got a court order i'll keep talking about this thing you are even celebrating the one million views so to to that you are saying to the high court of south africa i've got the best lawyers i'll keep doing what i want to do at the time i want to do it and you are not dealing with a normal person here no but i think i'm going to fuck you up
191:31
No, but I think, I think, I mean, we've been, we've been podcasting for three hours. I think, you know, I honestly speaking, withdraw the statement of yesterday of saying that you blue ticked me.
191:45
You apologize for blue ticking me. Let's talk. Okay. I apologize for blue ticking me.
191:49
Apology Tuesdays! Literally, we're recording on a Tuesday. We're recording on a Tuesday, literally. If I don't see this on the show on Tuesday, I'm boogieing for it. And he's gonna watch it, I know. I wanna watch it. I wanna sit with my boys and have a beer.
192:08
Lennox, buy 24. Let's have 24 of this.
192:09
And when I have gigs, I'm still gonna fuck you at court, but when I've got gigs, When I've got gigs, I'll keep buying. I'll send my guys to go and get 48. And then when we are drinking, we'll go on live with them. With my boys, we'll go live. So that your beer can do. And I'm also going to, when I take my employees for year and function, because I always take them on holiday. I always take them on holiday.
192:40
I'm going to buy a lot of those. Wow.
192:41
Like I was saying, like, before this whole thing with Benji happened, we fuck with you, man. We love you. Big time, man.
192:47
Now I've seen you. I've always respected me and your opinions. Yeah, I understand.
192:51
And for me, it was just so inspiring, like you were saying. I didn't know that, you know, a black person could have that... kind of money. Like, it's so inspiring. Bro. And it shows that it's possible, right? Because you see the Patrice Motipas of this world and whatever, but they're so far. Like, they're not attainable. You know what I'm saying?
193:08
And also, they're, like, married to the president's wife. And so they always come from, like, a royalty sort of background. You know what I mean? Like, yeah, yeah. So, yeah. They're not relatable to a large degree. Yeah, I started from scratch.
193:22
Yeah, I know what I'm saying. From car. If you look at the history of my soul, I started popping bushery. I started selling teasers. Wow, man. You know, I started from scratch. And for that reason, we want to give you this. If you listen to Benji, All of them were shocked.
193:37
We're going to give this. This we celebrate. This is a grandeur black luxury edition. We only give this to people that exude.
193:47
Let me stand up to receive it so people can see I look sexy. Yes. This is black excellence. Black excellence. Black excellence. Well done, bro.
193:57
Thank you so much. We didn't give Benji this, only you. You didn't give Benji. You didn't give Benji. I can only say that. It means so much to Benji. This man is like his own bar.
194:14
He owns half of a beer now or a part of a beer. He should have given... Why don't you give Benji? Ah, dog.
194:21
Heyo, we profile Benji. We profile Benji.
194:26
You know what will make Benji? You know what will make Benji?
194:32
The first thing as a man, you need to admit to your mistakes.
194:36
Yeah, man.
194:37
That's the first thing.
194:40
And then, don't ever think people feel sorry for you. The same people go back on social media. You know, I saw negative posts. I was burying one of my employees.
194:51
I'm still getting love on the street.
194:53
Social media doesn't exist.
195:02
Trust, we know.
195:04
They'll cancel you online on the street. And that's because the work you do has made a real change in people on the street and the street doesn't forget that so what we do here and how people feel about what we do here it's if you go through a little fire on the internet the streets know because they live with us and they know what we mean to them so it's like with you the streets know the truth
195:29
So I just wish he can take accountability. Because I'm afraid the people that he's dealing with now, that he's working with, if he crosses them, they are not like me. Me, I'll take you to court for deformation. I'll take you to court for all of those things.
195:50
I don't see him surviving if he fucks up. So he needs to find himself to say, I had opportunities. I fucked up. I did one, two, three, four, five, six. How do I start from scratch? But not with me. Yeah.
196:05
And Benjing and I don't want to give back because he has done so much damage into my reputation in 2022.
196:14
And I forgave him. Then he came to my house at 6 a.m. asking for apology. And I said, let me not jail this guy. Let me also give his sister this. Let me pay these guys that have got court cases against him so that they can withdraw the cases. I pay that. I've shown you the proof. I've paid that. When the contract was cancelled, I still asked, how do I help this guy? Because you could see in the messages when he said he's asking $17,000 for rent, to pay the rent.
196:42
And he gave him $50,000.
196:43
Then I gave him $50,000 and he says, I'm still punishing him. I said, you asked for help, I'm still punishing you, but do you want me to pay you the same as the contract that you made us?
196:51
It's impossible. Yeah, you did say, yeah.
196:52
And to come here and talk to the client about such a big client to say there was no processes following. Those guys will take him, they will fuck him up. They will take him to court because he's saying somebody is doing something illegal there.
197:07
Because we followed the... Nachif, you can send everybody. The guys are sending emails. How did they get? They must keep sending them. And I can be investigated. For the second month, I put it 100,000 times. You know how companies get to that level? It takes them seven to eight months. I do it in two months. Remember, I didn't get when I finished my matric. Immediately I went into money. So I understand the works of the money.
197:38
And I did not start there as a manager. I went to be a manager. So I understand from the ground. Why don't you ask yourself why I'm treating my employees like this?
197:50
It's because of I know what makes the employee to perform. So I go all out for my employees. There's seven times sellers that I get in December. I give to them. I give them target every month to say, guys, in order for me to be able to give you seven times your salaries, this is the target for the business. The target for the business is 400,000 tons of chrome per month. You guys must give me 420,000. That 20,000 is your money for December.
198:17
If you do less than $500, that month you don't get your bonus. It means instead of getting seven times your salary, you get five times. So they're paying themselves the bonus. So they were supposed to go to pay weekend. They will say, hey, we did not reach the target. We're going to work over. Then we'll go pay weekend next week. So I've given it back to them. To make money for themselves. So come December, I give them seven times. I've got more than 2,500 employees. Let's say one operator earns 25K to 26. Multiply it by seven times.
198:48
That guy is going home, can't return 60,000. They don't even qualify to loan that money at the bank because the bank will say this and this. You qualify for 50,000. But I give it to them. No, my soul said yes. Come to the parking yard, I better give up.
199:04
And see the cars they drive.
199:06
Soul was in your hood. No, no, no. Yes, yes, I'll tell you something.
199:11
And they will fuck you up, Dai.
199:14
No, but I'm on the streets big time. So him, head of security, I'm like, how long have you been working for myself? Like four years, and how are you finding it? He's like, I love my boss. I love my boss. So that's testament to what you're saying. But I was in your hood, you know? Yeah. So some guy took me. After the Benji episode. Yeah, so some guy took me. He's been wanting to take me to go see his wash plant or his business. So I went there. But I see so many of my soul cars, you know? And I'm not paying attention. We stop at one of the garages and some lady's like, how dare you show yourself around here after that interview?
199:46
Don't you know this is my soul town? And I had seen like a few cars and I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah. The guy is the president around here. But bro, what I like about you, man, is like people see what they see. They're going to have their own narrative. But wherever, like, people are talking about you, it's you get the job done. And I think sometimes even the most talented people, be it football players, be it musicians, DJ, actors, they blow up, make all this money or a bit of money, and then they lose plot of the work.
200:19
But you keep delivering because my boy, the guy who took me to the mines, I forgot, that's a man called one of your clients that, like, You mine up so much, there's like a super backlog of the product. Because he needs to take like the raw, the ore, and then deliver it. And sometimes he's left, they are left with like a backlog of like years or months from his operations. It's insane. How true is that?
200:44
Chief, I'm not going to sit here and sound like I'm breaking it. Chief Nawak.
200:48
Yeah, bro. I heard, man.
200:50
To a point where...
200:53
when the other subcontractors are not performing, that line will come to me to say, can you cover, can you do this? That's crazy. Yeah, that's crazy. I've sustained my business not by connections. I've sustained my business by working hard. Work hard. To say that even if tomorrow they say, chief, we want to pad ways, they need to fill the void.
201:15
So it's all about putting in the work. And I don't believe in somebody working for me. Yes, I've got the general manager. I've got side managers. I've got the geologist and everything. But I'm that guy who does things. You cannot ever lie to me about my business.
201:30
and when you give me the report you send me the video so the site manager doesn't tell me to say that i've i'm mining here and this is you need to take the video of the area by 5 a.m every day you can check my 5 a.m i'm on the conference call with them to say to explain night shift why did we do less tons why did we do this why did we do that then by seven when they go to the pit To say, yeah, you are loading. This is the sequence. When are you going to reach your target? I've never in my entire life since I started mining not to reach the target.
202:04
When I left AEL mining service that I was working with, they had to hire four people to replace me because every person they hired to replace me was struggling to do it. To a point they were requested to bring me back.
202:19
And I said, nah, I've started my own thing. And I'm talking about people who had more qualifications than me. That replaced me. But because I'm more of a guy who's on the ground and doing the real job. The duty work. Because guys who've got experience and who've got more qualifications...
202:40
They are good with writing reports to give you the reasons why this thing is not happening.
202:45
The corporate stuff, yeah. Yes.
202:47
They will give you the reasons when you read that report things. But if you go on the ground to do the real job, you see solutions how to fix things. So if you are the CEO who's going to sit in the office and not do the real job, you'll never reach your target.
203:00
Mm-hmm.
203:01
To a point, my bank came and said, but we don't understand. How do you do this? Because your competitors, when you look at their financials and stuff like that, you are far off than people that started before you. How do you own so many machines? You know these machines, they're expensive. When you see me trending to say that I've bought 40 machines, I make it look cheap. One excavate has 14 million.
203:24
Yeah.
203:25
One excavator is $14 million. One ADT is $11 million. Oh, my goodness. My soul. Fucking hell. So you buy things, you multiply it. It tells you how much.
203:32
And the cash.
203:33
Yeah.
203:34
So what's a $200 million house? Nothing.
203:36
Yeah, because you know what? Because when you buy $14 million, it's $15 million. Mac doesn't go.
203:43
People don't go, you owe $300 million. But when it's a home, it's like, ah. Or a car, it's like, ah.
203:52
You see, Sol, that's the problem with people. They see me buying me a Ferrari, a Rolls Royce, and they complain. That Ferrari, it's about 11, 12 or whatever, 13 million.
204:03
You buy that one, eh?
204:07
People make noise. But when you invest in your business where you buy crashing, drilling machines that are more expensive than that car.
204:14
50, 80 million.
204:15
Yeah. So you buy those machines, 30, 40 that I bought, those machines were worth more than 500 million. Shit. But you want to compare that to six by six.
204:24
Why the fuck? So at some point, I need to enjoy life. As much as I need to invest for my kids, as much as I need to invest back in the community, Driving these cars and making noise makes me happy. I've got a life to live. Do your thing, bro. So do not tell me how to live my life.
204:49
Do your thing, bro. Do your thing, man.
204:58
And we gotta fuck these hoes, man, you know? Do your thing, man.
205:01
These hoes. I understand that. She knew what she signed up for, man, when she married my bro. She knows.
205:12
She knows. My bro's from his heart.
205:16
He knows. She knows.
205:19
He's a problem talking.
205:20
He is, man. Myself, thank you so much for your time, man.
205:23
Man, I'm glad you came, bro. Thank you so much. We appreciate your time, man. This is the longest podcast we've ever done, ever. Ever, ever, ever?
205:29
Yeah, ever. How long ago? Yeah, it's three hours and 30 minutes.
205:32
Whoa.
205:32
It's the longest we've ever done.
205:34
Yeah, that's a lot. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We show everything. Everything, bro.
205:37
Everything goes out. Like we say, we don't... You know what I'm saying? Shut up, myself. So it's clear to say that... And the apology included. Yeah. So we're dropping the charges, no?
205:46
No, after Thursday. We didn't see him massage the toast.
205:50
No, no, he said he's going to watch for the toast.
205:52
He's watching. I'm going to unblock you now. Let me see the podcast on Thursday if you did not edit your apology. Then maybe I'll speak to my lawyer. You know what? It's fine.
206:05
Can I unblock him? Can I unblock him?
206:09
It's my boy. And also allowing me to come and clear these rumors.
206:16
You must thank Benji. You must give him a call. You are not going to get interviewed from him. Because I've always, I've always avoided, I like being a mystery guy. I like people comparing me that is the next same holdings. I like you guys lying on your show to say he was doing 64, 214. All I can tell you, yeah,
206:38
so you see and and you can't you can't you can't you can't there's there's a difference you know my son cannot come here and want to compete with me because
207:04
He has not worked for that. He has inherited because I did. Jens, I started from zero. Zero. It's my sweat and my hard work.
207:13
And when Ali Benji Lente leads, your interviewer don't have a problem with it. But Lente leads when Ali Benji with those figures.
207:22
You must stop it. You must ask before. You got the number now, bro. My son!
207:30
Yeah, but my company is on LBI.
207:41
So you must Google LBI. If you know, you know. If you know, you know. If you know, you know. You don't have to start auditing somebody four times or three times a year. You must know. Yeah. He's a samba. Ah!
207:54
A big somebody. A big somebody.
207:56
They can't waste resources.
207:57
Not doing that, they're going to get money. Yeah, never.
208:02
Hey, man. This one guy's tired. He's been standing for three hours.
208:05
Lennox.
208:06
Yeah.
208:07
Are you tired? Say it, man. Lennox, come on. Have a seat. No, no, no. Yeah, man.
208:10
Podcast is a little boom. Shout out, man.
